Chiefs 2012 Offseason - Page 3

O.city · 06:21 PM

Well I'm an optimist, so I am gonna go on a little rant here and make a bold statement.

The 2012 offseason will be the best offseason the Chiefs have had under Pioli. This will be the one that permanently makes us contenders for a good couple years. Here is whats going down.

Stanzi will turn out to be the guy. I have been watching alot of his old tape, he has the tools. He's gonna beat out Cassel in a training camp battle.

The 3 ACL guys will come back full strength. By the time the season rolls around they will have had a full year to recover. They will be fine.

The d will get a playmaker back. Pioli will bring in Paul Soliai from Miami to play NT with Poe and Gordon. In the second round of the draft Hightower will fall to us.

The offense, now having their quarterback, gets its playmaker back. We draft Richardson in the first round giving us a great combo of backs. We pick up a RT in the third round. We bring in an all pro in Carl Nicks from New Orleans who can't afford to pay him. We can.

We draft depth on both sides of the ball and bring in some solid backup free agents.

We resign Carr and Bowe.

This young team has it's quarterback and grows together, becoming a power in the AFC.

Sorry if this upsets anyone, but Pioli's finally gonna get it right.

Discuss.

**007** · 01-13-2012, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by HMc

wut?

I've never seen him play, nor met him. Why would I be fan or otherwise?

I'm attempting to analyse the situation using the little evidence we have available (facts).

I would love nothing more than to see this guy come out and make the spot his own in 2012.

But the facts are that Haley elected to play Tyler Palko instead of this guy. Everything else is speculation.

FYP

We all knew that Orton would start as soon as he was healthy. I would have done the same if I was Crennel.

HMc · 01-13-2012, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

I see more people saying "he obviously sucks" and hardly anyone truly wanting to see what he can do. I guess we must be on at two different times.

Also, It isn't "how I want it to be" as you say. People need to stop making assumption is all. We don't know if he truly sucks or if he is truly good.

If he's got what it takes, the fact that some people interpreted his pine riding in 2011 as being evidence of him sucking won't matter.

HMc · 01-13-2012, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

FYP

We all knew that Orton would start as soon as he was healthy. I would have done the same if I was Crennel.

And how do you know who makes these decisions?

I suppose you're suggesting that Haley was hamstringing the team deliberately. Again, a fantasy concocted by people with too much time on their hands (even if it might be true).

HMc · 01-13-2012, 07:13 PM

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**007** · 01-13-2012, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HMc

And how do you know who makes these decisions?

I suppose you're suggesting that Haley was hamstringing the team deliberately. Again, a fantasy concocted by people with too much time on their hands (even if it might be true).

The guy couldn't cut it in Canada or in some low level league in the USA. What the **** did Haley see in him to make him think he could possibly lead any NFL team. Sorry but I place Palko ALL on Haley.

I'm just saying we don't know if Stanzi sucks or not. Everyone can assume he sucks or can assume he is great. I'm waiting to see what happens with him this year.

keg in kc · 01-13-2012, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

I see more people saying "he obviously sucks" and hardly anyone truly wanting to see what he can do. I guess we must be on at two different times.

Also, It isn't "how I want it to be" as you say. People need to stop making assumption is all. We don't know if he truly sucks or if he is truly good.

I'm not sure who's made an assumption here. All I did was pass on some information that I've heard, which might or might not explain why he didn't play during the 2011 regular season. Which is in no way different from you saying something along the lines of "they decided they weren't going to play him at all until 2012". It's just providing a potential explanation for a question that people periodically ask, that being why he didn't play. It does not, however, mean that I'm saying that he sucks or that he'll never be any good, it only means that, if the information is valid (which it may not be...), then he did not develop *in 2011* as they had hoped that he would.

That's all.

And in fact, in the interest of full disclosure, my own secret hope is that the information is wholly incorrect, because I think the NFL as a whole does a tremendous job of ruining quarterbacks by pushing them onto the field too quickly. So I really actually do sincerely hope that they had no intention of ever playing him in 2011, and that in the end they did not have any expectations in terms of development for a 5th round draft pick.

However, that is unfortunately not what I have "heard".

HMc · 01-13-2012, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

The guy couldn't cut it in Canada or in some low level league in the USA. What the **** did Haley see in him to make him think he could possibly lead any NFL team. Sorry but I place Palko ALL on Haley.

I'm just saying we don't know if Stanzi sucks or not. Everyone can assume he sucks or can assume he is great. I'm waiting to see what happens with him this year.

So what we know is that Stanzi was considered an inferior option to Palko.

**007** · 01-13-2012, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

I'm not sure who's made an assumption here. All I did was pass on some information that I've heard, which might or might not explain why he didn't play during the 2011 regular season. Which is in no way different from you saying something along the lines of "they decided they weren't going to play him at all until 2012". It's just providing a potential explanation for a question that people periodically ask, that being why he didn't play. It does not, however, mean that I'm saying that he sucks or that he'll never be any good, it only means that, if the information is valid (which it may not be...), then he did not develop *in 2011* as they had hoped that he would.

That's all.

And in fact, in the interest of full disclosure, my own secret hope is that the information is wholly incorrect, because I think the NFL as a whole does a tremendous job of ruining quarterbacks by pushing them onto the field too quickly. So I really actually do sincerely hope that they had no intention of ever playing him in 2011, and that in the end they did not have any expectations in terms of development for a 5th round draft pick.

However, that is unfortunately not what I have "heard".

I'm only referring to posts I have seen all over the planet since Palko started his first game. I'm not referring directly to you.

**007** · 01-13-2012, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by HMc

So what we know is that Stanzi was considered an inferior option to Palko.

If thats what you choose to believe. I don't think we "know" that by any stretch of the word.

I just feel that Stanzi was never going to be an option unless there was absolutely no choice.

Sanka · 01-13-2012, 07:20 PM

Rasputin · 01-13-2012, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by keg in kc

If this is the case - and it may be - then why wasn't he playing during the season? I can't think of a greater potential opportunity handed to any quarterback. All he had to do was beat out Tyler Palko.

Or were you talking about next preseason rather than last preseason?

Am talking about this offseason and preseason. However, I don't believe one second that Stanzi was awarded any type of opportunity during camp and preseason from Haley and it carried over in the season. He did not play or even suit up in the last preseason game and they did everything possible to make Cassel be the guy. When Cassel went down Haley had Palko to be the guy and I think Pioli brought in Orton to have a vet QB take over. There was absolutely no reason in hell for Palko be starting QB but he was. Why? That is on Haley to be asked.

On devels advicate on reason why Stanzi didn't get to play much during preseason is just from the timeing of the collective bargening to end. Yet doesn't make an excuse for 8 weeks go by that Stanzi couldn't have been put on second team for getting meaninful reps in practice. Stanzi was neglected by the coaches imo. This is why I think he has to take full advantage of any opportunity he gets during OTAs to make an impression with Crennel who they say is a fair coach. We shall see.

The thing that pissed me off this season is not getting to see Stanzi get some playing time in during the last month of football. No excuse for that.

O.city · 01-13-2012, 07:24 PM

The fact that we stuck around in the playoff race probably kept them from seeing what Stanzi had at some point.

It's also telling that as soon as Haley was fired, Palko was immediately demoted to the third string role and Crennel talked about playing Stanzi.

Rasputin · 01-13-2012, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Sanka

God bless Stanzimerica!

durtyrute · 01-13-2012, 08:57 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Well I'm an optimist, so I am gonna go on a little rant here and make a bold statement.

The 2012 offseason will be the best offseason the Chiefs have had under Pioli. This will be the one that permanently makes us contenders for a good couple years. Here is whats going down.

Stanzi will turn out to be the guy. I have been watching alot of his old tape, he has the tools. He's gonna beat out Cassel in a training camp battle.

The 3 ACL guys will come back full strength. By the time the season rolls around they will have had a full year to recover. They will be fine.

The d will get a playmaker back. Pioli will bring in Paul Soliai from Miami to play NT with Poe and Gordon. In the second round of the draft Hightower will fall to us.

The offense, now having their quarterback, gets its playmaker back. We draft Richardson in the first round giving us a great combo of backs. We pick up a RT in the third round. We bring in an all pro in Carl Nicks from New Orleans who can't afford to pay him. We can.

We draft depth on both sides of the ball and bring in some solid backup free agents.

We resign Carr and Bowe.

This young team has it's quarterback and grows together, becoming a power in the AFC.

Sorry if this upsets anyone, but Pioli's finally gonna get it right.

Discuss.

I think you just made IT move.

sparkky · 01-13-2012, 09:05 PM

does any body know where we are cap-wise for 2012?

01-13-2012, 06:03 PM
O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-555936	2012 Offseason Well I'm an optimist, so I am gonna go on a little rant here and make a bold statement. The 2012 offseason will be the best offseason the Chiefs have had under Pioli. This will be the one that permanently makes us contenders for a good couple years. Here is whats going down. Stanzi will turn out to be the guy. I have been watching alot of his old tape, he has the tools. He's gonna beat out Cassel in a training camp battle. The 3 ACL guys will come back full strength. By the time the season rolls around they will have had a full year to recover. They will be fine. The d will get a playmaker back. Pioli will bring in Paul Soliai from Miami to play NT with Poe and Gordon. In the second round of the draft Hightower will fall to us. The offense, now having their quarterback, gets its playmaker back. We draft Richardson in the first round giving us a great combo of backs. We pick up a RT in the third round. We bring in an all pro in Carl Nicks from New Orleans who can't afford to pay him. We can. We draft depth on both sides of the ball and bring in some solid backup free agents. We resign Carr and Bowe. This young team has it's quarterback and grows together, becoming a power in the AFC. Sorry if this upsets anyone, but Pioli's finally gonna get it right. Discuss. Last edited by O.city; 01-13-2012 at 06:21 PM..
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O.city In Search of a Life Join Date: Jul 2009 Casino cash: $-555936	The fact that we stuck around in the playoff race probably kept them from seeing what Stanzi had at some point. It's also telling that as soon as Haley was fired, Palko was immediately demoted to the third string role and Crennel talked about playing Stanzi.
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