Football Offense vs. Defense in the playoffs... - Page 5

**petegz28** · 01-15-2012, 06:52 PM

Seems so far only 1 of the offensive juggernauts is still in it....

I know, one of those had a rookie starting at QB so that skews it a little but for the most part it seems the teams with that are better known for defense have won with NE being the exception. Houston as well had a great defense but I think they are still an offensive team by design.

I see it as..

Defensive teams:

Denver 1-1
Steelers 0-1
Niners 1-0
Baltimore 1-0
Giants 2-0

Offensive teams:

NO 1-1
Detroit 0-1
NE 1-0
Falcons 0-1
Bengals 0-1
GB 0-1
Houston 1-1

Tally Offensive teams:
3-4

Defensive Teams:
5-2

**petegz28** · 01-15-2012, 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

Brees couldn't outscore the Rams this year and lost to the Bucs.

Rodgers put up what 14 against the Chiefs this year.

I think you are a little tough on Eli, but I do get where you are coming from.

Well, Id id say every QB has a game or two where they are off their best. But the rest of the season they light it up. Eli I just don't put up with those others. I mean however you look at it, yards or rating or comp % he is only top 5 in 1 and that is yards and there he is #4. You look at Brees, Brady and Rodgers and they are in the top 5 of everything. That is elite, imo. Elite means the best of the best and I think Eli is just shy of that level.

aturnis · 01-15-2012, 11:00 PM

How do you beat an offensive juggernaut? Didn't the Chiefs lay out the blueprint against the Packers.

Control the ball, keep the juggernaut offense off of the field, play tough defense, run the clock out(run the ball).

Guys on here have been talking like tough defense doesn't matter anymore, it's a passing league. To me, defense has never been more important. The best way to beat an offensive juggernaut is to stop them. Your chances in a shootout, even if you too are an offensive juggernaut are less than if you can play good defense and respectable offense.

O.city · 01-15-2012, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28

Well, Id id say every QB has a game or two where they are off their best. But the rest of the season they light it up. Eli I just don't put up with those others. I mean however you look at it, yards or rating or comp % he is onlt top 5 in 1 and that is yards and there he is #4. You look at Brees, Brady and Rodgers and they are in the top 5 of everything. That is elite, imo. Elite means the best of the best and I think Eli is just shy of that level.

Thats true.

However, Manning has one thing those three don't which is a running game.

I think elite qbs can win games but they can't consitently win playoff games alone.

As much as I bitch about hte Chiefs getting one, you still gotta put good people around them.

**Ming the Merciless** · 01-15-2012, 11:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis

Guys on here have been talking like tough defense doesn't matter anymore, it's a passing league. To me, defense has never been more important. The best way to beat an offensive juggernaut is to stop them. Your chances in a shootout, even if you too are an offensive juggernaut are less than if you can play good defense and respectable offense.

****in' A' right there LOGIC NUKE BOMB.

**petegz28** · 01-15-2012, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis

How do you beat an offensive juggernaut? Didn't the Chiefs lay out the blueprint against the Packers.

Control the ball, keep the juggernaut offense off of the field, play tough defense, run the clock out(run the ball).

Guys on here have been talking like tough defense doesn't matter anymore, it's a passing league. To me, defense has never been more important. The best way to beat an offensive juggernaut is to stop them. Your chances in a shootout, even if you too are an offensive juggernaut are less than if you can play good defense and respectable offense.

I agree and the team playing the best defense right now is NY. However you have to have an offense and a QB that is good enough to take advantage of a good defense. We had good defenses fo ryears but never had the offense to do anything with it except with Montana. Baltimore is going to be tough because they can run the ball, Flaco can make some passes when he needs too and their defense can shut down just about any offense. Out fo the teams left NE is the one team that has a lackluster defense. I don't count their effort against Denver because if Denver had Cassel even they play that game at least a little better. Probably still lose but still.

beach tribe · 01-15-2012, 11:10 PM

How many BS threads does this guy pump out? There's a better, more thought out one already on the front page.
It amazes me that the guy can continue to reminded that his threads are stupid, and pointless, yet it doesn't faze him in the slightest.
Eli is elite. Period.

**petegz28** · 01-15-2012, 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe

How many BS threads does this guy pump out? There's a better, more thought out one already on the front page.
It amazes me that the guy can continue to reminded that his threads are stupid, and pointless, yet it doesn't faze him in the slightest.
Eli is elite. Period.

I post them just to watch your lack of self control and read your insulting posts that you obviously feel compelled to post in such stupid threads. Your schtick is quite humorous anymore.

I don't know how many BS threads I pump out but I do know you have a post in every single one of them.

beach tribe · 01-15-2012, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28

I post them just to watch your lack of self control and read your insulting posts that you obviously feel compelled to post in such stupid threads. Your schtick is quite humorous anymore.

I don't know how many BS threads I pump out but I do know you have a post in every single one of them.

You could have easily posted your OP in the thread already on the front page.
Do you not notice that more than half the threads you start are filled with "Oh god another Pete thread" posts?
I think you feel like you have to start new threads all of the time simply to get the responses that you would not garner by posting them in the threads where they belong.

**petegz28** · 01-15-2012, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beach tribe

You could have easily posted your OP in the thread already on the front page.
Do you not notice that more than half the threads you start are filled with "Oh god another Pete thread" posts?
I think you feel like you have to start new threads all of the time simply to get the responses that you would not garner by posting them in the threads where they belong.

And you could have easily ignored this thread. Do you see me giving a **** about the "oh no another pete thread" crap? I think you feel like you need to play thread nazi or something. It's pretty ****ing simple. If you don't like my threads then don't read them. Or you can post your usual string of insulting bullshit. Matters not to moi.

Now you have a nice ****ing evening.....

**Dylan** · 01-16-2012, 03:08 AM

I've enjoyed reading your comments.

Here is my opinion:

The truth is when a record setting offense or top rated defense comes up against top level competition; teams most likely take on a different look. Fast track to the post season 'it's winning by any means when it counts -- in the playoffs.'

The Giants beat a team that was 15-1 and 8-0 at home this season – You might ask, what good did it do for them? It made history; "A 15-win team had never lost its first game in a postseason, until the Packers did."

These are not the same Giants that were losing four straight games in season. They lost eight players on defense alone. Players were injured that were irreplaceable. A healthy Tuck, Osi, Boley along with others are back.

Osi and Boley accounted for all four sacks today.

If you’re wondering why the Giants defense is playing well; Perry Fewell had changed their defensive scheme in December.

Fewell had to endure criticism from the media and front office that threatened his job.

If this may interest you read here: Perry Fewell has a new game plan

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2...ants_defe.html

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2...efense_wi.html

The New York Times had this to say:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/15/sp...e-his-lot.html

JD10367 · 01-16-2012, 08:22 AM

Eli Manning has played well this season. But he's not "elite". He won a Super Bowl because he is the luckiest mother****er in football and had a Hail Mary bounce off his receiver's head and get caught. Being lucky doesn't make you elite. Is he efficient? Sometimes. Is he clutch? Sometimes. Is he elite? No. "Elite" to me are guys who are Canton-bound who can take over a game by themselves and win it for you. "Elite" is the trio of BRB (Brees Rodgers Brady).

Eli was 7th in QB rating this season (under those three and Romo, Stafford, and Schaub). He was 5th in YPG (under the Trio, and Stafford). He was 14th in completion percentage. He was 5th in YPA (under Rodgers, Brady, Schaub, and Palmer).

He is what he is: a good QB who can sometimes be very good, and sometimes not be very good, and is solidly in that second-tier. Sometimes he rises to the top, sometimes he doesn't. Enough to win a Super Bowl? Sure. But "elite"? No.

Chiefnj2 · 01-16-2012, 09:05 AM

Remember when everyone in KC hated Peter Guinta? He's doing a good job with NYG's secondary.

**TimeForWasp** · 01-16-2012, 09:19 AM

Offensive defences or defensive offences?

htismaqe · 01-16-2012, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Remember when everyone in KC hated Peter Guinta? He's doing a good job with NYG's secondary.

The Giants secondary has been up and down all season. They just hit an up swing at the exact right time.

htismaqe · 01-16-2012, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aturnis

Control the ball, keep the juggernaut offense off of the field, play tough defense, run the clock out(run the ball).

Your conveniently ommitted the 5 or 6 CLUTCH throws Eli made to ice that game.

Alex Smith did the same thing.

All offense and no defense = loss.

All defense and no QB = loss.

01-15-2012, 06:52 PM
petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $-895873	Offense vs. Defense in the playoffs... Seems so far only 1 of the offensive juggernauts is still in it.... I know, one of those had a rookie starting at QB so that skews it a little but for the most part it seems the teams with that are better known for defense have won with NE being the exception. Houston as well had a great defense but I think they are still an offensive team by design. I see it as.. Defensive teams: Denver 1-1 Steelers 0-1 Niners 1-0 Baltimore 1-0 Giants 2-0 Offensive teams: NO 1-1 Detroit 0-1 NE 1-0 Falcons 0-1 Bengals 0-1 GB 0-1 Houston 1-1 Tally Offensive teams: 3-4 Defensive Teams: 5-2
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01-15-2012, 11:00 PM	#62
aturnis MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Iowa Casino cash: $9975811	How do you beat an offensive juggernaut? Didn't the Chiefs lay out the blueprint against the Packers. Control the ball, keep the juggernaut offense off of the field, play tough defense, run the clock out(run the ball). Guys on here have been talking like tough defense doesn't matter anymore, it's a passing league. To me, defense has never been more important. The best way to beat an offensive juggernaut is to stop them. Your chances in a shootout, even if you too are an offensive juggernaut are less than if you can play good defense and respectable offense.
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01-15-2012, 11:10 PM	#66
beach tribe Keep doubting J MFing Houston Join Date: May 2007 Location: ft.lauderdale Casino cash: $4008036	How many BS threads does this guy pump out? There's a better, more thought out one already on the front page. It amazes me that the guy can continue to reminded that his threads are stupid, and pointless, yet it doesn't faze him in the slightest. Eli is elite. Period.
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01-16-2012, 03:08 AM	#70
Dylan The Lede Join Date: Aug 2007 Casino cash: $10016591	I've enjoyed reading your comments. Here is my opinion: The truth is when a record setting offense or top rated defense comes up against top level competition; teams most likely take on a different look. Fast track to the post season 'it's winning by any means when it counts -- in the playoffs.' The Giants beat a team that was 15-1 and 8-0 at home this season – You might ask, what good did it do for them? It made history; "A 15-win team had never lost its first game in a postseason, until the Packers did." These are not the same Giants that were losing four straight games in season. They lost eight players on defense alone. Players were injured that were irreplaceable. A healthy Tuck, Osi, Boley along with others are back. Osi and Boley accounted for all four sacks today. If you’re wondering why the Giants defense is playing well; Perry Fewell had changed their defensive scheme in December. Fewell had to endure criticism from the media and front office that threatened his job. If this may interest you read here: Perry Fewell has a new game plan http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2...ants_defe.html http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2...efense_wi.html The New York Times had this to say: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/15/sp...e-his-lot.html __________________
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01-16-2012, 08:22 AM	#71
JD10367 Cheaterlover* Join Date: May 2009 Location: RI Casino cash: $10010716	Eli Manning has played well this season. But he's not "elite". He won a Super Bowl because he is the luckiest mother****er in football and had a Hail Mary bounce off his receiver's head and get caught. Being lucky doesn't make you elite. Is he efficient? Sometimes. Is he clutch? Sometimes. Is he elite? No. "Elite" to me are guys who are Canton-bound who can take over a game by themselves and win it for you. "Elite" is the trio of BRB (Brees Rodgers Brady). Eli was 7th in QB rating this season (under those three and Romo, Stafford, and Schaub). He was 5th in YPG (under the Trio, and Stafford). He was 14th in completion percentage. He was 5th in YPA (under Rodgers, Brady, Schaub, and Palmer). He is what he is: a good QB who can sometimes be very good, and sometimes not be very good, and is solidly in that second-tier. Sometimes he rises to the top, sometimes he doesn't. Enough to win a Super Bowl? Sure. But "elite"? No.
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