Arrowhead anxiety: Turnover off the field causes concern

[Dr. Gigglepants]

Secrecy, intimidation, fear and a watchful eye have become hallmarks of working for the Chiefs, say some current and former employees.

BY KENT BABB THE KANSAS CITY STAR

Todd Haley walked into the public relations office at Chiefs headquarters on a Thursday in early December. Four days before he was fired as the team’s coach, he wanted to talk about what life was like inside this organization. But he didn’t know who else might be listening.

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http://www.kansascity.com/2012/01/14...nover-off.html

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This article goes into a lot of detail on the changes that came into effect with the Pioli regime. Sounds like a shitty ass place to work now.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

This isn't about people being unhappy with change. Did your new GM at the theater lock people into the movie so they couldn't go to the bathroom, for fear that they might wander the halls and see next week's top secret release?

There's nothing even remotely the same about the two scenarios.

dumbass ... Peterson is the one the put the lock on that room, not Pioli. (per Boal and Harry)

under Pioli they have taken the lock OFF(per Boal and Harry)

btw Peterson is also the one that put the microphone listening device in the interview room. Again ... that "bug" has been taken out under Pioli. (again per Boal and Harry)

but hey ... don't let the facts get in the way of your crusade.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

The entire article IS about people being unhappy with change.

Are they going overboard with the secrecy thing? Probably. But I doubt the secrecy thing is the reason so many got fired, and why so many are upset.

Here's the thing, the changes that took place at your workplace appear to be WARRANTED (based on your own description). At the end of the day, you said that the theater was profitable and financially in a much better position than it was when the new GM took over.

Many of the changes taking place at Arrowhead are UNWARRANTED and are detracting from what needs to be done to move this thing forward, ON THE FIELD. The seats are emptier than the day Scott arrived and the team is going nowhere.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Brock

Well, at any rate, I don't see anything very unusual about this when compared to the way corporate america runs, and I daresay that if the team was winning, nobody would give a shit about any of it.

Have you ever actually worked in corporate America? I have and have a ton of friends who work there too, from laid back companies to pressure cookers.

I've never heard anything close to this kind of thing before in my life.

[The Bad Guy]

Yes, the entire article is just people being unhappy because the country club atmosphere is over. That's all it is.

Give me a freaking break.

[Titty Meat]

I don't care about this to be honest. I'll be more pissed reading Babb's article talking about how Cassel will be retained.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Laz

dumbass ... Peterson is the one the put the lock on that room, not Pioli. (per Boal and Harry)

under Pioli they have taken the lock OFF(per Boal and Harry)

btw Peterson is also the one that put the microphone listening device in the interview room. Again ... that "bug" has been taken out under Pioli. (again per Boal and Harry)

but hey ... don't let the facts get in the way of your crusade.

Danny Clinkscale has reported multiple times that the door is locked when he tries to leave.

I've heard Frank and him talk about it on the radio and NEVER heard Frank say they took the lock off. Quite the opposite in fact.

I have no reason to doubt what you say about Frank and Jack (that Peterson implemented the policy) but the FACT is that the door has been locked (or continues to be, if Peterson implemented the policy) since Pioli arrived. Several members of both the 810 and 610 staff have said so.

I've never heard them talk about "bugs" or microphones. I'm talking solely about bathroom escorts.

[Hammock Parties]

I wonder how the rest of the Hunt family, particularly Norma, feels about Clark turning the franchise into Douche City.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Have you ever actually worked in corporate America? I have and have a ton of friends who work there too, from laid back companies to pressure cookers.

I've never heard anything close to this kind of thing before in my life.

Yes, I have actually worked and continue to work in corporate america. I can't help what you've heard about or haven't heard about. I've worked in R & D areas that make this article seem like nothing.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Danny Clinkscale has reported multiple times that the door is locked when he tries to leave.

I've heard Frank and him talk about it on the radio and NEVER heard Frank say they took the lock off. Quite the opposite in fact.

I have no reason to doubt what you say about Frank and Jack (that Peterson implemented the policy) but the FACT is that the door has been locked (or continues to be, if Peterson implemented the policy) since Pioli arrived. Several members of both the 810 and 610 staff have said so.

I've never heard them talk about "bugs" or microphones. I'm talking solely about bathroom escorts.

So if the door was locked under Peterson, why is it such a big deal NOW? How come it wasn't a big deal then?

How do other conferences work for other teams? Do we know if any other teams have adopted this policy?

If half the NFL has adopted this policy, does that still make the Chiefs the bad guys?

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Danny Clinkscale has reported multiple times that the door is locked when he tries to leave.

I've heard Frank and him talk about it on the radio and NEVER heard Frank say they took the lock off. Quite the opposite in fact.

I have no reason to doubt what you say about Frank and Jack (that Peterson implemented the policy) but the FACT is that the door has been locked (or continues to be, if Peterson implemented the policy) since Pioli arrived. Several members of both the 810 and 610 staff have said so.

I've never heard them talk about "bugs" or microphones. I'm talking solely about bathroom escorts.

The media reported the day after Haley was fired the doors were unlocked and stayed unlocked for a couple of weeks. The theory was they were trying to make Haley look like the control freak. The doors are back to being locked now.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

So if the door was locked under Peterson, why is it such a big deal NOW? How come it wasn't a big deal then?

That's a great question. Peterson was universally hated by the KC media. I have to believe that if the doors were locked, especially during the Herm era, we would have heard about it. My only guess is that it wasn't a big deal because it never happened. I have heard guys like Clinkscale say that it STARTED when Pioli arrived.

Originally Posted by Detoxing

How do other conferences work for other teams? Do we know if any other teams have adopted this policy?

I don't know. Then again, you'd think if this was happening elsewhere, somebody would say something right? The rumors about the Chiefs have been sprinkled in the national Internet media for two years. The same things aren't being said about other teams so what conclusion can we draw?

Originally Posted by Detoxing

If half the NFL has adopted this policy, does that still make the Chiefs the bad guys?

Of course not. But again, so far we're only hearing this stuff about the Chiefs.

[kysirsoze]

The only thing I saw in the article that absolutely is a problem if true is the bugging of cellphones. That would be mindblowingly bad for all involved. That said, I'm gonna need some more evidence than paranoid second hand mutterings of a coach about to be fired. And no, other employees saying "I wouldn't be surprised, etc." is not evidence.

If I missed the case beyond that, please feel free to point it out.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by kysirsoze

The only thing I saw in the article that absolutely is a problem if true is the bugging of cellphones. That would be mindblowingly bad for all involved. That said, I'm gonna need some more evidence than paranoid second hand mutterings of a coach about to be fired. And no, other employees saying "I wouldn't be surprised, etc." is not evidence.

If I missed the case beyond that, please feel free to point it out.

I highly doubt they were monitoring cell phones.

And Haley is ****ing crazy, that's a fact.

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Have you ever actually worked in corporate America? I have and have a ton of friends who work there too, from laid back companies to pressure cookers.

I've never heard anything close to this kind of thing before in my life.

Depends on what you choose to believe. For example, all this talk about taping conversations and tapping cell phones, there are serious legal ramifications that could come from doing things like that without consent. I highly doubt the organization would be stupid enough to go that route.

Todd Haley sitting there talking about his personal phone being bugged, I don't buy it at all. First, that's illegal, and if they did that to you, you could probably bring a lawsuit against the team if that happened. For a guy who has sued McDonalds, he shouldn't have a problem filing a lawsuit against the team. Second, if you are truly that paranoid, again, it is your personal cell according to the article. Go get a new one...

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

Depends on what you choose to believe. For example, all this talk about taping conversations and tapping cell phones, there are serious legal ramifications that could come from doing things like that without consent. I highly doubt the organization would be stupid enough to go that route.

Todd Haley sitting there talking about his personal phone being bugged, I don't buy it at all. First, that's illegal, and if they did that to you, you could probably bring a lawsuit against the team if that happened. For a guy who has sued McDonalds, he shouldn't have a problem filing a lawsuit against the team. Second, if you are truly that paranoid, again, it is your personal cell according to the article. Go get a new one...

Exactly.