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Old 01-15-2012, 08:22 PM  
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Looking at Crennel's circle of coordinators

Looking at Crennel's circle of coordinators
By Josh Looney
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Romeo Crennel has been associated with a number of experienced play-callers over the past decade

New Chiefs head coach Romeo Crennel publicly backed his defensive staff last week, revealing his plans to retain Kansas City’s defensive assistants. As far as the offensive staff goes, Crennel has only said that the evaluation process is ongoing.

Crennel has been given complete authority to set his own staff for his first season as head coach in 2012, but has yet to make any staff changes official.

With several coaching contracts set to expire, some degree of turnover is anticipated on the offensive side of the football. Front and center, Crennel’s search for an offensive coordinator currently dominates the spotlight.

Crennel has kept his candidate list under wraps thus far, but has said he’ll conduct a search that spans both internally and externally. He’s expected to conduct interviews this week in Orlando, Florida at the East-West Shrine Bowl and could extend that search into Senior Bowl Week beginning January 23rd in Mobile, Alabama.

In some cases, the Chiefs are waiting on permission to interview candidates under contract with other teams.

Though Crennel has yet to identify any specific candidates for the position, he has a recent working history with a number of experienced NFL play-callers.

If familiarity and past play-calling experience is something Crennel is searching for, the following names have been associated with Crennel as recently as the 2000 season.

Chiefs Quarterbacks Coach Jim Zorn

Years with Crennel: 1 (KC, 2011)

Years of Play-Calling Experience: 2 (WAS, 2008-09)

Chiefs Assistant Head Coach/RBs Maurice Carthon

Years with Crennel: 16 (KC, 2010-2011; CLE, 2005-06; NYJ, 1997-99; NE, 1994-96; NYG, 1985-91)

Years of Play-Calling Experience: 6 (CLE, 2005-06; DAL, 2003-04, DET, 2001-02)

Vikings Offensive Line Coach Jeff Davidson

Years with Crennel: 6 (CLE, 2005-06; NE, 2001-04)

Years of Play-Calling Experience: 5 (CLE, 2006; CAR, 2007-10)

Panthers Offensive Coordinator Rob Chudzinski

Years with Crennel: 2 (CLE, 2007-08)

Years of Play-Calling Experience: 3 (CLE, 2007-08; CAR, 2011)

Dolphins Offensive Coordinator Brian Daboll

Years with Crennel: 4 (NE, 2001-04)

Years of Play-Calling Experience: 3 (CLE, 2009-10; MIA, 2011)

Titans Offensive Coordinator Chris Palmer

Years with Crennel: 5 (CLE, 2000; NE, 1993-96)

Years of Play-Calling Experience: 7 (TEN, 2011; HOU, 2002-05; JAC, 1997-98)

Let’s start with the in-house connections.

Most recently, Crennel has worked alongside Chiefs assistants Jim Zorn and Maurice Carthon. Each brings a different area of expertise to the staff.

Zorn is an expert in the passing game, having played the quarterback position at an All-Pro level for the Seattle Seahawks. He’s seen his starting quarterbacks post career seasons at every stop prior to joining the Chiefs staff last year and was heavily involved with offensive game-planning in 2011.

Though Zorn has never held the offensive coordinator title for an NFL team, he’s been intimately involved in scheming the pass game throughout his professional coaching tenure.

Most recently, Zorn held play-calling responsibilities while serving as head coach of the Washington Redskins (2008-09). Ironically, he gave up those responsibilities midway through the 2009 season following a loss to the Chiefs.

Zorn also brings an interesting dynamic to the table. He comes from a different offensive background than the Chiefs operated the past three seasons, but also knows the offensive personnel well enough to mix new philosophies into Kansas City’s current offensive system.

Carthon is the rushing expert and played for Crennel as a member of the New York Giants during the 1980s.

Interestingly, Carthon was Crennel’s first offensive coordinator in Cleveland (2005-06). The Browns offense struggled under Carthon’s guidance, but Cleveland’s rushing attack was its strong point.

Carthon was relieved of his duties as Browns offensive coordinator 22 games into Crennel’s head coaching tenure, but Crennel wanted to keep Carthon on board. Browns management overruled and pushed Crennel to make an in-season change.

When Carthon resigned as Cleveland’s OC six games into the 2006 season, Crennel promoted assistant head coach/offensive line coach Jeff Davidson to offensive coordinator. Davidson originally followed Crennel from New England to Cleveland.

After finishing out the 2006 season as Cleveland’s play-caller, Davidson accepted the offensive coordinator position under John Fox in Carolina. The Panthers built their offense behind a strong running attack, which fit Davidson’s past as an offensive line and tight ends coach.

Davidson joined the Vikings last season as offensive line coach under Leslie Frazier.

After Davidson departed Cleveland for Carolina, Crennel hired Rob Chudzinski away from San Diego to become the Browns new offensive coordinator. Cleveland saw immediate success under Chudzinski, posting a top-10 offense and a 10-win season in 2007.

The 10-win campaign remains the only season Cleveland has posted double-digit victories since bringing NFL football back to the city in 1999.

After Crennel was relieved of his duties in Cleveland, Chudzinski served two seasons as assistant head coach in San Diego (2009-10) before joining Ron Rivera as offensive coordinator in Carolina.

The Panthers offense and rookie quarterback Cam Newton thrived under Chudzinski last season, leading to interest from other teams looking to fill their head coaching vacancies. Chudzinski interviewed for the head coaching job in Tampa Bay last week and also interviewed for head jobs in Jacksonville and St. Louis this offseason.

Coaching worlds often intertwine and intersect with interesting connections, which is the case with Brian Daboll.

Daboll replaced Chudzinski as Cleveland’s offensive coordinator after Crennel’s staff was let go following the 2008 season. He coordinated two years for the Browns before joining Tony Sparano’s staff as OC last season in Miami.

Currently the offensive coordinator on a staff without a head coach, Daboll’s future in Miami appears in the air. He previously spent four seasons (one as a defensive assistant) with Crennel in New England from 2001-04.

Flipping roles, Crennel was once hired as defensive coordinator in Cleveland (2000) by Titans offensive coordinator Chris Palmer. Crennel served as Cleveland’s coordinator during Palmer’s final season as Browns head coach. Saints offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael, Jr. was also part of that staff, serving as Cleveland’s tight ends coach.

Palmer was rumored to be a candidate for the Chiefs offensive coordinator position last season before joining the Titans.

There are a number of other experienced coordinators with recent ties to Crennel who are unlikely to join the Chiefs staff because of taking new jobs.

Crennel recently worked with Charlie Weis (hired as head coach at the University of Kansas), Josh McDaniels (hired as New England’s offensive coordinator), Tony Sparano (hired as the New York Jets offensive coordinator), John Hufnagel (longtime head coach and GM of the Calgary Stampeders), Todd Haley (former Chiefs head coach).

In addition, media has speculated on a number of external names with no previous ties to Crennel. It will be interesting to see how Crennel’s search shakes out over the next week.
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Old 01-17-2012, 05:22 AM   #46
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I think in the end people looking to be OC's aren't going to turn down the offer to move up in the football world unless there is a better offer or they just really think they can get better next year. Somebody will be willing to do it.

I am one to admit what I see as a fan may not be gospel. With Matt though, its pretty evident that his major flaws aren't going away and are too much to overcome. Thats why its frustrating, becaue the only way Pioli doesn't see it is by ignoring it.

Sad to say a lot of Chiefs fans don't view Matt the way CP does per a bunch of fans that live in KC. Matt has shown under very favorable circumstances he can get a Division Title, but he also showed what he does if a real team makes an effort to stop him. If the goal is a SB, there really isn't much of a conversation to be had.
Here's a possible scenario that Chiefs fans seem to not want to consider: What if Pioli DOES see it? We all know that has no real loyalty to anyone. We as fans are constantly bringing up how he'll hang anyone out to dry or throw anyone under the bus to save his ass (i.e. Arrowhead Anxiety article, Haley's in-season firing...) Why are we so sure he's up Cassel's ass so far? Because he's said so?

Look at some of the things this guy has said about his relationship with Haley, right before firing him unceremoniously. Pioli is a save face first kind of guy. He's not gonna come out and say, "Cassel is not the answer. We're just keeping him around until we can replace him with someone that can help us win a title." Even if that's exactly what he's thinking.

He wouldn't let his staff come out and say it either. Basically, what I'm saying is that we the fans aren't going to know of any major changes until they happen. Pioli is a very smoke-and-mirrors kind of guy, so I'm not buying that he's so in love with a QB that he has to see as someone who could potentially drag him out of his job.
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Old 01-17-2012, 05:29 AM   #47
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Here's a possible scenario that Chiefs fans seem to not want to consider: What if Pioli DOES see it? We all know that has no real loyalty to anyone. We as fans are constantly bringing up how he'll hang anyone out to dry or throw anyone under the bus to save his ass (i.e. Arrowhead Anxiety article, Haley's in-season firing...) Why are we so sure he's up Cassel's ass so far? Because he's said so?

Look at some of the things this guy has said about his relationship with Haley, right before firing him unceremoniously. Pioli is a save face first kind of guy. He's not gonna come out and say, "Cassel is not the answer. We're just keeping him around until we can replace him with someone that can help us win a title." Even if that's exactly what he's thinking.

He wouldn't let his staff come out and say it either. Basically, what I'm saying is that we the fans aren't going to know of any major changes until they happen. Pioli is a very smoke-and-mirrors kind of guy, so I'm not buying that he's so in love with a QB that he has to see as someone who could potentially drag him out of his job.
I certainly see the logic of that and do certainly hope that happens. I have said it before, this is the offseason that Pioli either saves his rep in my mind or he loses my support for good. This is the offseason, out of all others, that making a QB change is most clear.

My negativity is more from my gut feeling that its not going to change. Yes in some ways I have the attitude of a negative Chiefs fan, but in certain years I have been positive(and proven wrong eventually). I am just negative right now more from what I have seen and my gut feeling. Like I said I understand that line of thought, and this is the offseason where Pioli needs to make the right moves. We are at a huge crossroad in this organization right now.
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Old 01-17-2012, 05:59 AM   #48
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I certainly see the logic of that and do certainly hope that happens. I have said it before, this is the offseason that Pioli either saves his rep in my mind or he loses my support for good. This is the offseason, out of all others, that making a QB change is most clear.

My negativity is more from my gut feeling that its not going to change. Yes in some ways I have the attitude of a negative Chiefs fan, but in certain years I have been positive(and proven wrong eventually). I am just negative right now more from what I have seen and my gut feeling. Like I said I understand that line of thought, and this is the offseason where Pioli needs to make the right moves. We are at a huge crossroad in this organization right now.
I can certainly understand that. It always seems to be more of the same from this team, no matter who the coaching staff is. Run on first, run on second, pass on third, punt on fourth. Play defense, get a stop on first and second down, then give up a medium to big play on third and eventually get blown out.

Also, Trent Green is the best QB the Chiefs have had in almost 20 years. Longer if you don't count Joe Montana's ghost. There is always a rumor that the Chiefs are going to make a move for a certain guy, or that they are going to make a change at a position, or that they are going to really get production out of a young prospect, but none of these things ever seem to pan out.

I won't deny that it's been hard to be a Chiefs fan, but 2010 made it all worth it again. This team has undeniable talent and potential. I'm not going to let one ant (Cassel) spoil my picnic, no matter how much of a nuisance that ant may be.

You see, I'm a very optimistic fan.
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I can certainly understand that. It always seems to be more of the same from this team, no matter who the coaching staff is. Run on first, run on second, pass on third, punt on fourth. Play defense, get a stop on first and second down, then give up a medium to big play on third and eventually get blown out.

Also, Trent Green is the best QB the Chiefs have had in almost 20 years. Longer if you don't count Joe Montana's ghost. There is always a rumor that the Chiefs are going to make a move for a certain guy, or that they are going to make a change at a position, or that they are going to really get production out of a young prospect, but none of these things ever seem to pan out.

I won't deny that it's been hard to be a Chiefs fan, but 2010 made it all worth it again. This team has undeniable talent and potential. I'm not going to let one ant (Cassel) spoil my picnic, no matter how much of a nuisance that ant may be.

You see, I'm a very optimistic fan.

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good post man, glad you came aboard.
Thank you my good man. I came on awhile ago, but I stopped coming around for awhile. I'm back though.
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Ha. Is that not normal? I know there is an overwhelming amount of lolCassel and whatnot...
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Hang around for a couple of days, and we can cure that problem for you.
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Keep an eye on Pep Hamilton. He was under consideration with Saban for the Bama OC job with little schottenheimer before Doug Nuiesmeir got it.

He's been a lower level guy that has worked his way up on the offensive side of the ball. O quality controll to qb's and now qb/OC at stanford. It would be a suprise move but i'ts possible. I think Hamilton coached with Crennell at the east west shrine game before he became the DC in KC, before the 2010 season. I'd hope Zorn would be around as a vet coach on O he could lean on.

Mike Sherman i could see if they would move the qb (i'd take orton over cassel anyday) and run more of a west coast mix to what they already run. I think with Orton in the last 3 games Zorn had a heavy influence on the passing attack.

Otherwise Daball as oc and probably Karl Dorrell as WR's coach when Miami get's things settled if the go the tree route.

I'd like to see Hue Jackson from what's left. Darkhorse is CFL HC Marc Trestman.

Thought of Pete Manguarian(ex Patriot) but he got the Cornell Job after being OL coach with the bucs this year.

Jeff Davidson with Zorn as qbcoach/pass game co would be what they are looking for.

It's possible they lose Gary Gibbs if Mike Zimmer get's a HC job. Zimmer's boy Adam is Gibb's assitatn at LB coach and he's a young buck they give more responsibility too and would be nice to retain and continue to groom him.

I think they could take a run at Marty's boy as OC too. Just some hunch for no good reason.

Pepper Johnson's best shot to have more responsibility would be under Romeo. I know he still will call plays but it would open up the shot Pepper could call plays down the road. That's about the only current NE coach i could see coming to KC.

Need to find a damn good OL coach out there and i have no idea who is available.

Been a few months, hope everyone is well and healthy!
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wonder what happened to jeremy bates last year? He may be to big of a hot head to work with Casshole.

Depends on what happens in Indy but Clyde Christenson is intriging besides last year of course without Peyton. He is OC currently and would have to get out of his contract if they hire a new HC that doesn't want him. I think he has potential and the thought of a 3 WR set of Bowe Breaston and Baldwin starting with Charles as a Single back would have potential...Depending on the QB
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Haley's protege Nick Sirianni is still an unknown if he can coach. He was being groomed to take over WR's or QB's someday.
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wonder what happened to jeremy bates last year? He may be to big of a hot head to work with Casshole.

Depends on what happens in Indy but Clyde Christenson is intriging besides last year of course without Peyton. He is OC currently and would have to get out of his contract if they hire a new HC that doesn't want him. I think he has potential and the thought of a 3 WR set of Bowe Breaston and Baldwin starting with Charles as a Single back would have potential...Depending on the QB
Caldwell is coming back.
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