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Old 01-17-2012, 10:29 AM  
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Old 01-17-2012, 12:19 PM   #16
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He listed RT as the number one need of the team. QB was 2nd or 3rd on his list (he said he could go either way between QB and NT for 2nd greatest need). Babb might be a decent reporter, but not the sharpest knife in the drawer on team needs.

But hey...this qualifies him as a "true fan" since he's on the RT in the first bandwagon.
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Old 01-17-2012, 12:21 PM   #17
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Questions need to be in areas that Babb has some insider info rather than questions about on the field stuff. Who cares what Babb thinks about Cassel or a NT?
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Old 01-17-2012, 12:25 PM   #18
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Questions need to be in areas that Babb has some insider info rather than questions about on the field stuff. Who cares what Babb thinks about Cassel or a NT?
Exactly. Lots of wasted questions by the moderator...
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Old 01-17-2012, 12:26 PM   #19
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Old 01-17-2012, 12:33 PM   #20
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Didn't we do that already?
Hopefully Stanzi crushes his competitive fire in camp and we never have to listen to it again.
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Old 01-17-2012, 12:34 PM   #21
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Joey, Matt Flynn will be the most promising free agent, but I really believe the Chiefs need to draft and develop their own quarterback. This is a tired stat, but it's amazing: The Chiefs haven't drafted a quarterback who went on to win a regular-season game since 1983 and Todd Blackledge. Unreal. That's almost my entire lifetime. I don't see Stanzi as a legitimate starter. I think he was drafted to be the team's backup of the future.

Babb thinks stanzi was drafted as the backup of the future.
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Old 01-17-2012, 01:06 PM   #22
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A lot of people don't see Stanzi as a threat to start simply because he was drafted in the 5th round. They never saw him play (and play well) in college.
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Old 01-17-2012, 02:02 PM   #25
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A lot of people don't see Stanzi as a threat to start simply because he was drafted in the 5th round. They never saw him play (and play well) in college.
And some of us saw him play a fair bit and were never all that impressed.

I think he could develop into a fine long-term backup, along the lines of Todd Collins, but I would be surprised if he became much more than that. Pleasantly surprised, because it would be a real boon for the franchise, but surprised nonetheless.
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Babb: I don't see Stanzi as a legitimate starter. I think he was drafted to be the team's backup of the future.
That is quite possibly the dumbest statement of 2012. Backup of the future? What the hell is that?
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And some of us saw him play a fair bit and were never all that impressed.

I think he could develop into a fine long-term backup, along the lines of Todd Collins, but I would be surprised if he became much more than that. Pleasantly surprised, because it would be a real boon for the franchise, but surprised nonetheless.
Stanzi played at a 2nd-tier Big 10 school and all he did was put together one of the most successful 2-season stints in the history of the school.

You know I have a ton of respect for you and your football takes, but if you honestly saw him a "fair bit" and were never all the impressed, I have to question what the hell you were looking for.
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Stanzi played at a 2nd-tier Big 10 school and all he did was put together one of the most successful 2-season stints in the history of the school.

You know I have a ton of respect for you and your football takes, but if you honestly saw him a "fair bit" and were never all the impressed, I have to question what the hell you were looking for.
Well, we're a year removed now, but as I recall I tended to think of him as a stronger-armed Greg McElroy. Which was why I always expected him to be drafted here, both because of the Ferentz connection and because the franchise seems to want a game manager behind center. And I thought he made some real strides his final season, after what I considered to be a couple of lackluster initial years as a starter. But in the end, heading into the 2011 draft, my opinion of him was that he was a high floor/low ceiling player, and I thought his most likely upside would be as a career backup. Which is why around the draft that year I was one of the ones against the idea of drafting him in the 2nd or 3rd round, but ultimately okay with taking him in the 5th.

I would love nothing more than to see him exceed my expectations...

And I'd never pretend to be some kind of QB guru or something. It's just my opinion on the guy, and it might well turn out to be wrong. All you have to do to see that is look back at my takes on Drew Brees back in '01.
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Well, we're a year removed now, but as I recall I tended to think of him as a stronger-armed Greg McElroy. Which was why I always expected him to be drafted here, both because of the Ferentz connection and because the franchise seems to want a game manager behind center. And I thought he made some real strides his final season, after what I considered to be a couple of lackluster initial years as a starter. But in the end, heading into the 2011 draft, my opinion of him was that he was a high floor/low ceiling player, and I thought his most likely upside would be as a career backup. Which is why around the draft that year I was one of the ones against the idea of drafting him in the 2nd or 3rd round, but ultimately okay with taking him in the 5th.
The problem with your analysis is that he wasn't a game manager at all. In both his junior and senior seasons, he won games all by himself. In his junior season, he had to win several games because it was his interceptions that put them in a hole in the 1st place. He was the antithesis of a game manager for 75% of his time at Iowa. My guess is the one or two times you REALLY got to see him was when he played Michigan or Georgia Tech. Those are pretty specific game plans that called for him to play like that.

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And I'd never pretend to be some kind of QB guru or something. It's just my opinion on the guy, and it might well turn out to be wrong. All you have to do to see that is look back at my takes on Drew Brees back in '01.
I was wrong about Brees too. After his first couple of seasons in Sandy Eggo, I declared him a bust.
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The problem with your analysis is that he wasn't a game manager at all. In both his junior and senior seasons, he won games all by himself. In his junior season, he had to win several games because it was his interceptions that put them in a hole in the 1st place. He was the antithesis of a game manager for 75% of his time at Iowa. My guess is the one or two times you REALLY got to see him was when he played Michigan or Georgia Tech. Those are pretty specific game plans that called for him to play like that.
Iowa's on ESPN all the time, man. Pretty sure I watched him play more than twice.

His picks are part of the reason I put him in the McElroy category.

I called him Ricky Cassel heading into the draft, because I thought that's the kind of player he would have to be at the pro level: heavily constrained in the confines of a safe system to have any success. So the only way I could ever see him playing at this level was in a strictly controlled manager role. He was not somebody that I would expect (or want) to try and carry a pro team. He's not Stafford or Ryan or even Dirty Sanchez. And I would guess that scouts agreed with that assessment, since he was ultimately drafted where he was.

I think if he was a sure-fire stud the way that some Iowa fans seem to believe that he was, he would not have been drafted in the fifth round. And "second tier Big 10 school (which Iowa is not anymore, they're one of the better teams in the league now)" would not be a reason for that fall, since QBs from no-name schools, who couldn't even hope to be in the same class as Iowa, regularly get drafted early now.
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