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Old 01-17-2012, 10:29 AM  
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Old 01-17-2012, 05:16 PM   #46
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One things for sure. It's gonna be an interesting training camp.
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Old 01-17-2012, 05:17 PM   #47
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This is assuming that he wasn't given the chance to earn the job during the season and failed to do so. Is that a safe assumption to make?

Maybe I'm naive, maybe I'm too trusting, but I'd tend to think that had he shown anything to the staff during the regular season on the practice field, he'd have gotten his shot. Especially with Palko out there shitting all over the field. And while I always take rumors with a hefty grain of salt, I have heard on a couple of different occasions from a couple of different sources that they were not entirely satisfied with Stanzi's development in 2011.

So maybe it's not a situation of him not being given a chance, maybe it's a situation of him not taking the job, when it was right there for him.

Which would also be a tragedy, of course...

But who knows.
Most people here believe Haley is a lunatic. If you believe that, it's nearly impossible to also believe that Stanzi had any chance to win anything.

I have it on pretty good authority that Palko was Haley's guy (he apparently went apeshit in the locker room after the Chicago win, as if he'd proven everybody wrong) and Palko was going to play no matter what.
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Old 01-17-2012, 05:18 PM   #48
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One things for sure. It's gonna be an interesting training camp.
We hope.

Although, unfortunately, history tells us it probably won't be. At least not at quarterback.
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Old 01-17-2012, 05:18 PM   #49
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One things for sure. It's gonna be an interesting training camp.
Yeah, can't wait to hear all the stories about Cassel running with the 1st team, throwing interceptions to LBs.
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Old 01-17-2012, 05:20 PM   #50
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Most people here believe Haley is a lunatic. If you believe that, it's nearly impossible to also believe that Stanzi had any chance to win anything.

I have it on pretty good authority that Palko was Haley's guy (he apparently went apeshit in the locker room after the Chicago win, as if he'd proven everybody wrong) and Palko was going to play no matter what.
You could probably fill a phone book with the conspiracy theories about it that have shown up here. Haley was playing Palko as a '**** you' to Pioli. Haley was playing Palko because Cassel is Pioli's guy and they didn't want a QB controversy after Stanzi came. It made for some entertaining reading during the season.
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Old 01-17-2012, 05:22 PM   #51
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We hope.

Although, unfortunately, history tells us it probably won't be. At least not at quarterback.
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Yeah, can't wait to hear all the stories about Cassel running with the 1st team, throwing interceptions to LBs.
I think some things are gonna change once the new OC is hired.

That being Romeos move can definitely make a difference.
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Old 01-17-2012, 05:22 PM   #52
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You could probably fill a phone book with the conspiracy theories about it that have shown up here. Haley was playing Palko as a '**** you' to Pioli. Haley was playing Palko because Cassel is Pioli's guy and they didn't want a QB controversy after Stanzi came. It made for some entertaining reading during the season.
Actually, this was something that came from a couple of different people and is not a conspiracy theory.

Haley was yelling "nobody thought we could do it" type stuff directly at Palko after the Chicago game.
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Old 01-17-2012, 05:27 PM   #53
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If Haley was really kookoo for Palko, then i couldnt be happier that he's gone.

He didnt deserve to keep his job.
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Old 01-17-2012, 05:27 PM   #54
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Actually, this was something that came from a couple of different people and is not a conspiracy theory.

Haley was yelling "nobody thought we could do it" type stuff directly at Palko after the Chicago game.
Tyler Palko was Larry Fitgeralds quarterback and a Pittsburgh guy.

No doubt he was Haleys guy.
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Most people here believe Haley is a lunatic. If you believe that, it's nearly impossible to also believe that Stanzi had any chance to win anything.

I have it on pretty good authority that Palko was Haley's guy (he apparently went apeshit in the locker room after the Chicago win, as if he'd proven everybody wrong) and Palko was going to play no matter what.
Didn't Haley say something like "This is Stanzi's season" during preseason? I agree that he never had a chance. I think that might have been the plan from the git go. Stanzi rides the pine for a year and learns from there.

Stanzi did become the #2 as soon as Haley was fired though so yeah Palko was Haleys pet.
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I was always very impressed with Stanzi.

Here's the kicker. QBs who fall to the 5th round usually have a significant fatal flaw. Character. Physical limitations (too short, weak arm, etc...). Dumb as a box of rocks. No big game / tough competition experience.

Stanzi had none of those red flags. He played in a competitive conference, has the size, arm strength and accuracy, and is a good leader.

32 teams said despite no flags, he's not good enough. That worries me more than just a little bit. There is most definitely some fatal flaw scouts saw in him for him to fall that low.
You keep talking about this "fatal flaw".

Well what is it? Enough people have looked at the kid I would think someone would have put it out there.

Maybe with the run on qbs early, ponder even went earlier than expected, teams hitched their wagon to the guy they fell in love with and he fell.
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You keep talking about this "fatal flaw".

Well what is it? Enough people have looked at the kid I would think someone would have put it out there.

Maybe with the run on qbs early, ponder even went earlier than expected, teams hitched their wagon to the guy they fell in love with and he fell.
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Not specifically with Stanzi but I do think there's a building trend with the NFL draft. We've talked about it as nauseum so you can bet your ass NFL execs are fully aware of it - like 90% of all Super Bowl QBs are 1st rounders, right? And the rest of them are the Tom Brady/Kurt Warner anomalies.

So what I think is happening and we'll see a lot more is team's either taking QBs in the 1st or not until the 5th/6th.

2nd, 3rd, and 4th round picks are valuable enough not to throw away on a position that has virtually NO chance of contributing to a Super Bowl berth. Those picks are valuable for getting linemen, LBs, and all kinds of other positions.
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Stanzi should see the field because we all know that Cassel is not capable of being a quality NFL QB.

Somehow that stance has morphed into Stanzi being some stud that everyone missed on.

He deserves a shot in light of our alternatives. Anything beyond that, including treating him like our qbotf is absurdly optimistic.
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Makes sense, which could ruin those averages over time
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You keep talking about this "fatal flaw".

Well what is it? Enough people have looked at the kid I would think someone would have put it out there.

Maybe with the run on qbs early, ponder even went earlier than expected, teams hitched their wagon to the guy they fell in love with and he fell.
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