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Old 01-18-2012, 12:44 PM  
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Key US oil supplier may cut off spigot Sunday
Associated PressBy CHRIS KAHN | Associated Press – Fri, Jan 13, 2012

Angry youths protest in front of the National television station on fourth day of the nationwide strike on the removal of a fuel subsidy by the government in Lagos, Nigeria, Thursday, Jan. 12, 2012. A union representing 20,000 oil and gas workers in Nigeria threatened Thursday it would shut down all production starting Sunday to take part in the crippling nationwide strike over spiraling fuel prices. (AP Photo/Sunday Alamba)

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NEW YORK (AP) — One of the biggest suppliers of oil to the United States may shut off the spigot this weekend, pushing crude and gasoline prices higher for Americans.

Nigeria, which supplies 8 percent of U.S. oil imports, could see production halted if striking workers walk off the job Sunday. Workers are demanding the return of a vital government fuel subsidy that has kept gasoline prices low in that impoverished and restive nation of 160 million people.

It's unclear how much of Nigeria's production would be affected. At worst, the country's 20,000 unionized oil workers could take as much as 2.4 million barrels of daily crude production off the market, striking at the heart of Nigeria's oil-dependent economy.



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Old 01-18-2012, 01:18 PM   #16
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There isn't a rancher/farmer (all conservatives) in SD or NE that supports keystone. Lot's of reasons why.
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Old 01-18-2012, 01:26 PM   #17
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I would rank Air, Water, and Soil above gas and oil on the list of most valuable resources. Just my opinion, though.

Unfortunately, my opinion doesn't count as much the opinions of those who place Wall Street profits above all else that is holy.
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Old 01-18-2012, 01:28 PM   #18
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said he would not support the Keystone Pipeline. There goes 100,000 good paying jobs.
Anytime you brandish the energy industry's calculations you can pretty much count on it being an exaggeration. It's all about the PR when it comes promoting "clean" and "safe" (cough....cough) energy exploration.
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Old 01-18-2012, 01:30 PM   #19
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I would rank Air, Water, and Soil above gas and oil on the list of most valuable resources. Just my opinion, though.

Unfortunately, my opinion doesn't count as much the opinions of those who place Wall Street profits above all else that is holy.
Boy, I sure hope you don't use any crude products. You know, those which are delivered to you and your vehicle by pipeline and by sea.
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Old 01-18-2012, 01:47 PM   #20
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Boy, I sure hope you don't use any crude products. You know, those which are delivered to you and your vehicle by pipeline and by sea.
Gee, I hope you don't expect to breathe clean air or drink clean water. You know, those things that are essential to your existence.

Hey, I'm all good with energy exploration. I'm all for energy independence, too. Just because our choices are limited by a market that is monopolized by fossil fuels doesn't mean that I'm a hypocrite if I choose air and water over gas and oil. I just want it done safely and cleanly.

However, if it can't be done cleanly and safely I'm all for waiting until it can. The long term cost for the many can be too high just so a few in the short term can get rich. We are smart enough to find a better way but greed is preventing us.

Drill Baby Drill isn't about energy independence, either. It's about a few entities getting filthy rich. 90% of the gas being extracted from the Marcellus shale goes straight to the world market. At a huge environmental cost to the people who live in that region.

Interesting that America's number one export is fuel but the rhetoric is still about energy independence. It's all propaganda and double speak by the energy industry and those who get rich manipulating the market. It doesn't matter if the pursuit of that goal turns the United States into a third world country in the process.

The Keystone Pipeline is not going to make us any more energy independent than the Marcellus Shale. And it sure as hell won't make the price of gas go down either. The threat of high gas prices is the gun put to our head by the industry in order to continue getting its way. It will make a bunch of people rich, though. It's all a big game and we are forced to play along.

Lies, lies, and more lies.....
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Old 01-18-2012, 01:52 PM   #21
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Gee, I hope you don't expect to breathe clean air or drink clean water. You know, those things that are essential to your existence.

Hey, I'm all good with energy exploration. I'm all for energy independence, too. Just because our choices are limited by a market that is monopolized by fossil fuels doesn't mean that I'm a hypocrite if I choose air and water over gas and oil. I just want it done safely and cleanly. If it can't be done safely and cleanly we are smart enough to find a better way. But we choose not to because of greed.

However, if it can't be done cleanly and safely I'm all for waiting until it can. The long term cost for the many can be too high just so a few in the short term can get rich.

Drill Baby Drill isn't about energy independence, either. It's about a few entities getting filthy rich. 90% of the gas being extracted from the Marcellus shale goes straight to the world market. At a huge environmental cost to the people who live in that region.

Interesting that America's number one export is fuel but the rhetoric is still about energy independence. It's all propaganda and double speak by the energy industry and those who get rich manipulating the market. It doesn't matter if the pursuit of that goal turns the United States into a third world country in the process.

The Keystone Pipeline is not going to make us any more energy independent than the Marcellus Shale. And it sure as hell won't make the price of gas go down either. The threat of high gas prices is the gun put to our head by the industry in order to continue getting its way. It will make a bunch of people rich, though. It's all a big game and we are forced to play along.

Lies, lies, and more lies.....
That's the longest, "Well, yeah, I buy lots of gasoline but I like to bitch about it occasionally being messy" response I've ever seen.

You already use plenty of crude from Canada and Mexico.
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There isn't a rancher/farmer (all conservatives) in SD or NE that supports keystone. Lot's of reasons why.
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Drill Baby Drill isn't about energy independence, either. It's about a few entities getting filthy rich.
So big oil DOES have something in common with wind and solar power...
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That's the longest, "Well, yeah, I buy lots of gasoline but I like to bitch about it occasionally being messy" response I've ever seen.

You already use plenty of crude from Canada and Mexico.
Again, I guess you don't ever breathe clean air or drink clean water. Because it would seem that some people take those type of things for granted.

I buy as little gasoline as I can. I'm a conservative that way. However, your analogy is weak. The only way someone could avoid using petrolium products in our society is to kill themself. Or live like Grizzly Adams (which by the way, is the direction I'm headed). But thanks to the fact that there is a damn gas rig on every ****ing mountain top in my back yard now, that dream is kind of ****ed, too.

Just because we've chosen to **** ourselves over with fossil fuels doesn't mean we might as well say, "**** it," and go all in. Which is exactly what we are doing at the cost of our future. If we can put a man on the moon we can do better than this. We can develop the technology to extract it and burn it more safely but we choose not to because its all about the money first.
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Again, I guess you don't ever breathe clean air or drink clean water. Because it would seem that some people take those type of things for granted.

I buy as little gasoline as I can. I'm a conservative that way. However, your analogy is weak. The only way someone could avoid using petrolium products in our society is to kill themself. Or live like Grizzly Adams (which by the way, is the direction I'm headed). But thanks to the fact that there is a damn gas rig on every ****ing mountain top in my back yard now, that dream is kind of ****ed, too.

Just because we've chosen to **** ourselves over with fossil fuels doesn't mean we might as well say, "**** it," and go all in. Which is exactly what we are doing at the cost of our future. If we can put a man on the moon we can do better than this. We can develop the technology to extract it and burn it more safely but we choose not to because its all about the money first.
Good, I use as little as I can, too. The difference is that I'm not a huge hypocrite about it.

The FACT is that gasoline and diesel are the only presently-viable methods of fueling our vehicles. Unless and until we get another source, I'll take all and every source of that crude we can find, particularly from friendly sources.

I realize that you are all giddy about us killing ourselves through fossil fuel poisoning the air and water, but the fact is that we are not. Is there a remote possibility of this pipeline leaking and killing some fish? Yes, but the benefit it would bring FAR outweigh that minimal risk.
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