Ryan Braun tests positive for PED

[Buck]

http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/...enhancing-drug

He's facing a 50 game suspension.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

That's right - steroids don't increase strength or enhance quick-twitch reactions. Ben Johnson just turned his eyes yellow for fun. Marion Jones ruined her career for poops and grins.

Nothing to see here - athletes are only spending millions of dollars annually and risking suspension, expulsion and public scorn because it sounds like fun. As it turns out, PEDs don't actually do anything to enhance your athletic ability.

Wow. You are just a mental midget on this topic.

Who said steroids don't work? Of course they do. They just won't work like you think they do, and they aren't as dangerous as you think they are. You don't know this because you just regurgitate what you read from sports writers about it.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

that's not how they work. do you even know the difference between an anabolic steroid and an adrogenic steroid?

Steroids do not increase or improve "fast twitch" muscles. This a long ago exposed myth. Fast twitch fibers cannot be isolated by any compound.



What perils? Do tell. How many deaths a year do we have in the United States are from steroids? Big fat ass ZERO. Second, try sticking to the discussion instead of personal attacks. It's just a cover for not being able to argue intelligently on this topic.

Second, steroids don't improve hand eye coordination. If you can't hit a curve ball because your hand eye coordination doesn't allow you to, no amount of juice in the world will improve that, no. Period. Can you hit the ball harder? Sure. And my question is WHO GIVES A ****?

How does it impact your life in a negative way?

When a baseball player takes steroids does a child in Africa die or something? What am I missing? What part of a baseball player taking something has a negative effect on your life? Just answer that. YOUR LIFE.

What part of "I don't really care if they're legalized" was lost on you? They don't negatively impact my life at all. Go ahead and inject yourself with as much centrifuged horse semen as you'd like; I don't give a large-rat's ass.

And you've again missed the point regarding hand-eye coordination. I never argued they did improve hand-eye coordination. Like I said, they can't help you recognize a curveball. That said, they can help you get the bat through the zone faster. If you can get the bat through the zone faster, you can gain back what you lost in slower pitch recognition. Hitting a round ball with a round bat isn't just a matter of swinging at it - you actually swing down on a baseball to drive it. You try to hit the front half of the ball with a downward strike as your wrists rotate through. It drives the ball forward while generating backspin and the backspin then generates loft.

The difference between driving that ball by hitting the front half while the ball is still right at the front of the plate, your arms are fully extended and your wrists are rotating through the hitting zone or spiking it into the dirt for a double play is literally thousandths of a second. If you don't have the freakish ability to recognize a pitch that Pujols has, you can make up for that extra split second with additional batspeed.

The perfect way to hit is through quick wrists and perfect hand/eye coordination. However, a suitable proxy is by making up for the slower pitch recognition through added strength that allows you to get the bat into and out of the hitting zone quicker. Yes, that absolutely makes a difference in a hitters ability to hit a drive a breaking ball. It can also allow them to foul off a couple more pitches to stay alive in the AB and wait for the pitcher to make a mistake.

So to admit that you can hit a ball harder with PEDs is to also admit that you can hit a ball better.

You clearly don't know enough about hitting to know why PEDs absolutely impact it. It's not just "have club, hit ball", the mechanics involved are significantly beyond that.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Wow. You are just a mental midget on this topic.

Who said steroids don't work? Of course they do. They just won't work like you think they do, and they aren't as dangerous as you think they are. You don't know this because you just regurgitate what you read from sports writers about it.

I have no idea if they're physically dangerous. Frankly I don't care if they are; I'm not a professional athlete and if I'm gonna spend money on something, it's not gonna be PEDs. So ultimately I'm at no risk and until I am, I'm not going to concern myself with the physical side-effects. The perils I referred to are brainless muscleheads like you that are full of testosterone and all about getting pissed off and breaking things when they don't feel like having a rational discussion. I'm sure the fact that you're entire MO is getting pissed off and diving straight for the gutter has nothing to do with being a juicer.

Like I said - if steriods work at all, they absolutely impact a hitter's ability to hit a breaking ball once you start to look at what actually goes into hitting said breaking ball.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I have no idea if they're physically dangerous. Frankly I don't care if they are; I'm not a professional athlete and if I'm gonna spend money on something, it's not gonna be PEDs. So ultimately I'm at no risk and until I am, I'm not going to concern myself with the physical side-effects. The perils I referred to are brainless muscleheads like you that are full of testosterone and all about getting pissed off and breaking things when they don't feel like having a rational discussion. I'm sure the fact that you're entire MO is getting pissed off and diving straight for the gutter has nothing to do with being a juicer.

Like I said - if steriods work at all, they absolutely impact a hitter's ability to hit a breaking ball once you start to look at what actually goes into hitting said breaking ball.

No they don't. And there have been plenty of experts that have weighed in on why you're wrong on this. But no one can tell you shit.

I mean you don't even realize that "roid rage" is a myth. JFC just stop commenting on this.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

No they don't. And there have been plenty of experts that have weighed in on why you're wrong on this. But no one can tell you shit.

I mean you don't even realize that "roid rage" is a myth. JFC just stop commenting on this.

I hate to piss on someone's grave, but Lyle Alzado really got the ball rolling with the misinformation regarding steroids.......everything from the "dangers" to the "rages".

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

I hate to piss on someone's grave, but Lyle Alzado really got the ball rolling with the misinformation regarding steroids.......everything from the "dangers" to the "rages".

Lyle died of AIDS. This is well known throughout the cycles he traveled in and swung from sides of the fence. Steroids have never ever ever been linked to brain tumors. But HIV/AIDS have.

People will believe anything the media tells them.

And Lyle was an asshole his whole life. He just grew bigger.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

No they don't. And there have been plenty of experts that have weighed in on why you're wrong on this. But no one can tell you shit.

I mean you don't even realize that "roid rage" is a myth. JFC just stop commenting on this.

Go ahead and even begin to explain how strength doesn't increase batspeed.

Now try to tell me how increased batspeed doesn't help you hit a breaking ball.

You're wrong. You clearly don't know shit about baseball and now you're desperately trying to appeal to authority to bail you out.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Go ahead and even begin to explain how strength doesn't increase batspeed.

Now try to tell me how increased batspeed doesn't help you hit a breaking ball.

You're wrong. You clearly don't know shit about baseball and now you're desperately trying to appeal to authority to bail you out.

It doesn't, at least not directly. Maybe indirectly by making the pitcher throw you a hanging curve as opposed to a fastball because he's frightened of your mark mcgwire triceps.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Lyle died of AIDS. This is well known throughout the cycles he traveled in and swung from sides of the fence. Steroids have never ever ever been linked to brain tumors. But HIV/AIDS have.

People will believe anything the media tells them.

And Lyle was an asshole his whole life. He just grew bigger.

He was also taking that old cadaver HGH which wasn't the smartest thing to do.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Go ahead and even begin to explain how strength doesn't increase batspeed.

Now try to tell me how increased batspeed doesn't help you hit a breaking ball.

You're wrong. You clearly don't know shit about baseball and now you're desperately trying to appeal to authority to bail you out.

Would taking steroids make you better at xbox 360 games?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Would taking steroids make you better at xbox 360 games?

So you're not going to answer the question?

Again -

1) Does increased strength not improve batspeed?
2) Does improved batspeed not increase your ability to hit a breaking ball?

If you answer no to either of these questions, please show your work.

C'mon big timer, surely anyone that's going to go apeshit anytime someone disagree with him is capable of constructing a cogent counter-argument, as opposed to just tossing out useless straw-men. Surely you can dissect this clearly asinine argument I've put together. I went right ahead and broke it down into component parts for you to make it extra easy.

Let's see what you've got, Al.

[TheGuardian]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So you're not going to answer the question?

Again -

1) Does increased strength not improve batspeed?
2) Does improved batspeed not increase your ability to hit a breaking ball?

If you answer no to either of these questions, please show your work.

C'mon big timer, surely anyone that's going to go apeshit anytime someone disagree with him is capable of constructing a cogent counter-argument, as opposed to just tossing out useless straw-men. Surely you can dissect this clearly asinine argument I've put together. I went right ahead and broke it down into component parts for you to make it extra easy.

Let's see what you've got, Al.

Yes or no.

Would taking steroids make you better at xbox 360 games?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

It doesn't, at least not directly. Maybe indirectly by making the pitcher throw you a hanging curve as opposed to a fastball because he's frightened of your mark mcgwire triceps.

How does getting a bat into the zone quicker not help you make up for slower pitch recognition? How does being able to fight off a breaking ball that you would have ordinarily swung through not get you an extra pitch to hit that the pitcher may then hang?

It's not going to help me hit a breaking ball, but that's not who we're talking about. We're talking about guys that were already the best 1% in the world at what they do - hitting a baseball. Guys that can already recognize a breaking ball to some degree and do so better than the tens of thousands of folks that would kill to play this game for a living.

You're working within razor-thin margins. All of those guys can see a breaking ball, it's just a matter of those hundredths of a second that their body takes to process and react to same. If you're a little slower on the trigger with the recognition, then the increased batspeed can make up for it.

Give me a rationale explanation as to how that's not true. Please, somehow explain to me how this does nothing to help hitters that were having to guess on breaking balls get just that extra Nth of a second needed to either fight one off or square it away.

The line between hitting a ball 400 ft and either spiking it to the SS or blasting it straight skyward is less than the blink of an eye. To argue that additional batspeed has nothing to do with the ability to hit a breaking ball given those constraints is just asinine.

It's not going to turn a HS hitter into a superstar, but it will take a mediocre Major League hitter (already a fantastic hitter in any other context) and make him a much better one.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Yes or no.

Would taking steroids make you better at xbox 360 games?

I asked you first. Go ahead and presume my answer is as you expect it to be, and answer my question. Then we'll talk how easily distinguishable and ultimately useless your straw-man is.

C'mon Al. You can do this. I have faith in such a wise and learned juicer.

[TheGuardian]

No it won't. The initial response comes from the central nervous system. And steroids won't change that. So the speed at which his CNS processes the reaction time does not change. Since you are talking bat speed, it wouldn't matter. He would just swing the bat FASTER but he still wouldn't connect with the ball. You don't get that.

It's like saying that a guy can shoot a pistol faster than the next guy, thus he must be more accurate. One has nothing to do with the other.

Batter A has better hand/eye coordination but swings a bad slower than batter B. Batter A can hit a curve ball but batter B can't. It's because the speed at which you swing doesn't matter if you can't connect the bat to the ball.

Rather than continue arguing just say you don't know what you're talking about and leave it at that.