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Old 02-24-2012, 10:43 AM   #1
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Ryan Braun, your 2011 MVP, cleared of doping charges.
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Old 02-24-2012, 10:49 AM   #2
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It will interesting to see his 2012 numbers.
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Old 02-24-2012, 10:54 AM   #3
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It will interesting to see his 2012 numbers.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...raunry02.shtml

I don't see anything unusual about his 2011 numbers. Maybe someone sees something I'm missing?
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Old 02-24-2012, 11:18 AM   #4
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http://www.baseball-reference.com/pl...raunry02.shtml

I don't see anything unusual about his 2011 numbers. Maybe someone sees something I'm missing?

I'm just saying now that he was basically busted for cheating if will be interesting to see if his numbers will decline or was the test taken sometime other then after the 11 season?
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Old 02-24-2012, 11:24 AM   #5
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I'm just saying now that he was basically busted for cheating if will be interesting to see if his numbers will decline or was the test taken sometime other then after the 11 season?
I see what you are saying. A decline from an MVP year isn't necessarily proof someone was doping.

My point was that his numbers didn't dramatically spike upwards in 2011, something usually associated with the onset of PED use. Guy has been putting up steadily nice numbers his whole career.
That, and his hat size didn't enter the Bonds Zone.
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Old 02-24-2012, 11:41 AM   #6
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I see what you are saying. A decline from an MVP year isn't necessarily proof someone was doping.

My point was that his numbers didn't dramatically spike upwards in 2011, something usually associated with the onset of PED use. Guy has been putting up steadily nice numbers his whole career.
That, and his hat size didn't enter the Bonds Zone.
Right, but who is to say how long he has been using. I'm assuming it's not a recent phenomenon. If he has taking some moderate dosed test with an AI you aren't going to see a lot of dramatic changes. 200mg per week which is a high TRT dose, but 1/2 a beginners body building dose over months and years will still yield performancing enhancing effects. That's why I'm just curious as to what his Total T level was more then his Test to Estrogen ratio which tells you nothing.

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It looks like it's Testosterone to Epitestosterone levels not estrogen that is checked.

I would still like to know the total T number though.

If his TE Ratio was 4-1 then he likely had T levels at about 2000. That's probably having 300-400 mg of test in his body. That doesn't seem that crazy to me, but I'm no expert.
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Old 02-24-2012, 01:33 PM   #7
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If his TE Ratio was 4-1 then he likely had T levels at about 2000. That's probably having 300-400 mg of test in his body. That doesn't seem that crazy to me, but I'm no expert.
His "insanely high" TE ratio was 20-1. From what I've read, its pretty high and you don't see it often, but it is not an impossible ratio at all.
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I see what you are saying. A decline from an MVP year isn't necessarily proof someone was doping.

My point was that his numbers didn't dramatically spike upwards in 2011, something usually associated with the onset of PED use. Guy has been putting up steadily nice numbers his whole career.
That, and his hat size didn't enter the Bonds Zone.
PED users are just as likely to be the guys putting up steadily nice numbers throughout their careers as they are to be guys with dramatic spikes in performance.
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PED users are just as likely to be the guys putting up steadily nice numbers throughout their careers as they are to be guys with dramatic spikes in performance.
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It will interesting to see his 2012 numbers.
Why? If he's using PEDs, he likely wouldn't have just started last season and would likely continue using them in 2012 anyway. That isn't even mentioning that nobody still knows exactly what (if any) impact PEDs have on baseball performance.

Braun is going to be the same fantastic hitter he's always been. There's little reason to think differently.
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Ryan Braun, your 2011 MVP, cleared of doping charges.
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he wasn't really cleared, was he?


'got off on a technicality' would be more accurate, wouldn't it?


chain of evidence problem .....
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he wasn't really cleared, was he?


'got off on a technicality' would be more accurate, wouldn't it?


chain of evidence problem .....
I was going by the press, Google "Ryan Braun cleared"
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he wasn't really cleared, was he?


'got off on a technicality' would be more accurate, wouldn't it?


chain of evidence problem .....
I think he's going to carry this turd with him forever. It will be interesting to see how he responds to the negative attention.

Oh, and **** the Brewers.
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