just more speculation about RGIII

[tooge]

Well, at least they mention the chiefs


Robert Griffin trade rumors already spinning out of control
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 28, 2012, 4:04 PM EST

APForget the Combine. Forget free agency. Robert Griffin III trade chatter dominates the NFL discussion these days.

And it’s still February.

Perhaps Rams COO Kevin Demoff is right: It’s getting less crazy to imagine a deal could be completed before free agency. We’ve read and heard an unprecedented amount of trade rumors about the No. 2 overall pick for this time of year.

Let’s go over the latest:

1. Mike Jones of the Washington Post writes the Redskins would give up the No. 6 overall pick and next year’s first round pick in addition to multiple picks in the mid-to-upper rounds of the draft. Consider this the starting point for negotiations.

The Rams are reportedly looking for a similar package to the one San Diego netted for Eli Manning: Two firsts (including the No. 4 overall pick), a third- and fifth-round pick. The Redskins sound ready to meet this demand.

2. Texas A&M prospect Ryan Tannehill is watching the Griffin talk closely. Jones believes the Redskins would take Tannehill at No. 6 overal if they can’t get Griffin.

3. Terry Pluto of the Cleveland Plain-Dealer believes the Browns will ultimately have to give up three first-round picks in order to land Griffin. Do I hear four, Redskins? (This reminds us of a classic article by the Onion.)

4. Demoff told Peter King of SI.com that the Rams received a feeler from a team “you would never expect.” Does Kansas City count? If not, we’ll roll with Philadelphia as our irresponsible guess for a mystery team. Enter your pick below.

5. The St. Louis Post-Dispatch considers the Redskins the early favorite to land Griffin. This sounds true based on all the reports, plus Mike Shanahan’s close relationship with Jeff Fisher.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Again, you are absolutely crazy if you actually think we are going to win this trade without giving up at least or first 3 picks in 2012 and 2013. At least.

And no, teams (especially like the Rams) are not interested in signing a guy like Brandon Carr. They are teams building for the future much moreso than they are today. Why would they sign a guy for $10+ million when they can use that pick instead to draft a CB like Claiborne for a few mill? It's ridiculous to suggest that the Rams are so desperate to win now that they would trade away a blue chip pick for a guy who's going to break their bank.

If Carr were 32 I would agree, but he is still young and ascending. He would be a great pickup for them. He is a proven commodity, Claiborne is not. Did you see how awful their secondary was last year? They could definitely use him him to help stabilize that secondary.

[splatbass]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Again, the Giants have more playoff wins this year than we have in 40 and some still want to play it safe? I just don't get it.

Clearly you don't get it. WE CAN'T GET RGIII FOR WHAT THE GIANTS GAVE FOR ELI. Not even close.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by splatbass

Clearly you don't get it. WE CAN'T GET RGIII FOR WHAT THE GIANTS GAVE FOR ELI. Not even close.

Actually I do get it. The point is the Giants took a chance and gave up what it took to get Eli (regardless of what it would take to get RGIII this year) and were richly rewarded for it. We play it safe even though 40 years of history says that way won't work for us.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by tredadda

3 playoff wins in 40 years and yet you still worry about 5-6 years? I still think you are pulling a worst case scenario to justify your position. Lets put it this way, we played it safe the last 5-6 years and have what to show for it?

I have maintained my position that you build your team as if they have to support Matt Ryan, but you aggressively pursue QBs that you hope will become Peyton Manning. Taking a risk on a franchise QB is one thing. Taking a gamble that your QB will become Peyton Manning is another.

I am a big supporter of trading aggressively for RGIII. But if it means sacrificing 2+ years of marquee draft picks, then forget about it. It's stupid to take that enormous risk because we have to overcompensate in a really horrendous QB draft class. I'd rather wait until 2013. There will be deeper QBs and regardless of our draft position, it will be significantly to trade our way into a QB that has true first round value.

[aturnis]

So you're saying our first this year, next year, and Carr would do it? I'd even sweeten that deal with a 3rd somewhere.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by aturnis

So you're saying our first this year, next year, and Carr would do it? I'd even sweeten that deal with a 3rd somewhere.

No, what part about "the Rams don't have the cap, nor the urgency to win now to pay that much for Carr" do you not understand?

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I have maintained my position that you build your team as if they have to support Matt Ryan, but you aggressively pursue QBs that you hope will become Peyton Manning. Taking a risk on a franchise QB is one thing. Taking a gamble that your QB will become Peyton Manning is another.

I am a big supporter of trading aggressively for RGIII. But if it means sacrificing 2+ years of marquee draft picks, then forget about it. It's stupid to take that enormous risk because we have to overcompensate in a really horrendous QB draft class. I'd rather wait until 2013. There will be deeper QBs and regardless of our draft position, it will be significantly to trade our way into a QB that has true first round value.

? What? What does taking RG3 and trading for him have to do with thinking he will become Peyton Manning? He doesn't need to be Peyton Manning. Peyton never played on a team as good as the team KC has right now...

RG3 has a lot going for him. Brains like crazy, a better deep ball than Manning, and his athletic ability is just icing.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by aturnis

? What? What does taking RG3 and trading for him have to do with thinking he will become Peyton Manning? He doesn't need to be Peyton Manning. Peyton never played on a team as good as the team KC has right now...

RG3 has a lot going for him. Brains like crazy, a better deep ball than Manning, and his athletic ability is just icing.

Yes. So you give him a 2-3 year window to win now, which is crazy to expect out of a rookie. If you have ineffective drafts two years in a row, those young guys you have on your roster for cheap, suddenly either get overpaid or you let them loose. That means either you overly stretch your cap, or you have to let some good players go and make your team worse (and you'll have no one to replace them with).

It's not rocket science. We all know that great teams build around a franchise QB, but they also build around the draft.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

No, what part about "the Rams don't have the cap, nor the urgency to win now to pay that much for Carr" do you not understand?

What makes you think that team can't be competative with good db's and an OL to keep Bradford upright? Not to mention what they get from their draft and the bounty they reap from their pick.

If you really want to cite their cap situation, then you are uninformed. They are currently under the cap, and have highly paid guys who can go, a few contracts that can and should be extended to change their current cap hit. Like 4-5 of those off the top of my head. On top of that, they don't have any FA's who can't be had back reasonably.

All of these things due to change suddenly, plus new leadership and they can't compete at all? They have an opportunity to drastically change for the better.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by aturnis

What makes you think that team can't be competative with good db's and an OL to keep Bradford upright? Not to mention what they get from their draft and the bounty they reap from their pick.

If you really want to cite their cap situation, then you are uninformed. They are currently under the cap, and have highly paid guys who can go, a few contracts that can and should be extended to change their current cap hit. Like 4-5 of those off the top of my head. On top of that, they don't have any FA's who can't be had back reasonably.

All of these things due to change suddenly, plus new leadership and they can't compete at all? They have an opportunity to drastically change for the better.

Tell me... when was the last time a team traded away a top 5 pick for a 2nd contract free agent?

(Jeopardy theme song)

[aturnis]

Tell me that it matters.

[Chief_For_Life58]

there is absolutely no way we will end up with rg3. 3 teams can all outbid us. the best chance u have of seeing him play is when we play the browns next year

[Dave Lane]

**** Tannehill he has bust written all over him

Originally Posted by BossChief

I wonder what the poll results would be on

A. Trade up to #2 by using a bunch of picks and throw in Bowe once he is franchised instead of a future first+....or sign Bowe in time to tag Carr and include him in the deal.

The rams need a receiver and corner backs, but they would need to cut some guys in this scenario because of their cap situation.

2. Sign Peyton and draft Tannehill. Peyton would cost a lot and that might cause us to lose a player or two in the next 2-3 years.

Both scenarios have their positives and drawbacks.

I think I'd rather sign Peyton and draft Tannehill/Richardson.

[Chief_For_Life58]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

**** Tannehill he has bust written all over him

yeah hes such a waste of time. Great qb's dont play one year of college quarterback. Draft someone later. tannehill is NOT worth the 11th pick. jesus

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Tell me that it matters.

It matters because teams are smart enough to know that it's better to go with a young, elite, blue chip prospect, especially now at a far cheaper price, than to go with a second contract veteran.

The idea that you build through the draft and not free agency is a common sense principle that everybody knows, yet we are so firmly convinced that St. Louis would do the exact opposite... even with a blue chip pick.