Mayock says Poe reminds him of Haloti Ngata

[Quesadilla Joe]

Mike Mayock on Memphis DL Dontari Poe, says he reminds him of Haloti Ngata potential. 'He's that big, but he's so raw it's scary.'

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[suds79]

Originally Posted by O.city

So is there a chance Poe fell to the second, Houston style?

Until I see a mock that actually has him not in the 1st round I'm going to say no.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by O.city

So is there a chance Poe fell to the second, Houston style?


Imagine a Richardson, Poe 1 and 2 round.

I'm not sure I'd want him even in the 2nd round. That's how much of a hater I am.

Hell, getting caught with weed was enough to turn teams against Justin Houston until the 3rd round. Something far more important like... oh, I don't know... lack of college production might deter teams to let the guy fall equally as far. And in my opinion they should.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

He got owned by Baylor during their Bowl game, I'd pass on him

Ugh.... what?

[Direckshun]

Ta'amu's tape is good.

Chapman's is better:



I think Ta'amu would be perfectly fine in our system, but he'd take a bit to learn it. Ta'amu shoots a gap a lot in that tape posted earlier in the thread. He plays like a 1-gap NT, but I think he could probably pick up the 2-gap.

Chapman, however, plays exactly like a two-gap. Watch him.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Ta'amu's tape is good.

Chapman's is better:



I think Ta'amu would be perfectly fine in our system, but he'd take a bit to learn it. Ta'amu shoots a gap a lot in that tape posted earlier in the thread. He plays like a 1-gap NT, but I think he could probably pick up the 2-gap.

Chapman, however, plays exactly like a two-gap. Watch him.

Chapman looks good for sure. But damn... 315 is awfully light for a two-gap nose. He could absolutely be a Ratliff as a one-gapper, but I just don't see a guy like him holding up very well against double teams from professional interior linemen on a weekly basis.

I have no idea what his frame can hold before he starts to lose strength and burst, but he needs AT LEAST 10 more lbs to be counted on legitimately for what we'd ask him to do.

Also, I'm a bit wary of that knee surgery he just had.

Those two factors together put Ta'amu at the smallest notch above Chapman for me.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by SNR

Chapman looks good for sure. But damn... 315 is awfully light for a two-gap nose. He could absolutely be a Ratliff as a one-gapper, but I just don't see a guy like him holding up very well against double teams from professional interior linemen on a weekly basis.

I have no idea what his frame can hold before he starts to lose strength and burst, but he needs AT LEAST 10 more lbs to be counted on legitimately for what we'd ask him to do.

Also, I'm a bit wary of that knee surgery he just had.

Those two factors together put Ta'amu at the smallest notch above Chapman for me.

I would feel the same way.

I think Chapman's maxed, by the way. He's not getting bigger, really. Ta'amu's bigger and stronger and probably more athletic.

Chapman played like a stud at NT with the knee injury. I have no qualms with him there. Ta'amu just has more tools.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I would feel the same way.

I think Chapman's maxed, by the way. He's not getting bigger, really. Ta'amu's bigger and stronger and probably more athletic.

Chapman played like a stud at NT with the knee injury. I have no qualms with him there. Ta'amu just has more tools.

Reports earlier in the year say Chapman was squatting 580 at Alabama, which was by far the most on the football team. They said without the knee injury, he would have cracked 600.

Strength-wise he's maxed out, but I'd say that's ****ing plenty.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by SNR

Reports earlier in the year say Chapman was squatting 580 at Alabama, which was by far the most on the football team. They said without the knee injury, he would have cracked 600.

Strength-wise he's maxed out, but I'd say that's ****ing plenty.

I also think he's fine at his "lesser" weight of 315ish if he's bookended by the best run-stopping DE duo in the league in Jackson and Dorsey.

But aesthetically, you'd just love to fill that position with a 340+ lbs bear. Not necessarily a <320 lbs overachiever.

But, I'm not Crennel and I'm not Pioli, so whatever.

[Coogs]

Watching Path to the Draft right now. Talking about Poe. Said despite putting up great numbers at the combine, he did terrible at the most important one for D-tackles. The 3-cone drill. Said he was a half of a second slower than what starting NFL DT's should be. Ryan Sims anyone?

[buddha]

Mayock has backed away from Poe recently with the speed of an NFL CB. Poe is a big fat pig who came to the combine completely out of shape and he wasn't in good shape during the season.

BUST

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I would feel the same way.

I think Chapman's maxed, by the way. He's not getting bigger, really. Ta'amu's bigger and stronger and probably more athletic.

Chapman played like a stud at NT with the knee injury. I have no qualms with him there. Ta'amu just has more tools.

Who got owned in big games against Baylor and Stanford

[O.city]

Thing with Chapman, good thing, is that he wouldn't take as much time to learn the spot. He's gonna be pretty well coached coming from the Saban school of defense.


I think he's strong enough to play the NT in our system. He could probably support 10 or 15 more pounds but I don't think it's necessary.


I really like that he can press the pocket from the NT front. He could stay in on sub stuff and bull rush.


Also, didn't all the Lbs from Bama rave about CHapman?

[Saccopoo]

Keep doubting Jerrell Powe. Or, at the very least, remember that we drafted one of the best potential 3-4 nose tackles available in the 2011 draft. Powe was a HS All-American, a two time all-conference SEC guy at Ole Miss, and was a favorite here on CP for a Chief's draftee last year. 6'2", 335 lbs. and plays with great leverage and relishes being a two-gap, run plugging stuffer at the nose.

Ta'amu is not any better than Powe at the same stage and tended to wash out against the better competition.

However, on the note that Chapman is too small to play nose tackle in a 3-4, you should all take a look at the job that Kyle Williams has done over the past several seasons where he's established himself as the best 3-4 nose tackle in the NFL.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

However, on the note that Chapman is too small to play nose tackle in a 3-4, you should all take a look at the job that Kyle Williams has done over the past several seasons where he's established himself as the best 3-4 nose tackle in the NFL.

Chapman has been heralded as a rock in the middle of the Alabama defense which won the National Championship mind you.Plus, like a QB you draft a NT until you get one that can take that unit over the top.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Keep doubting Jerrell Powe. Or, at the very least, remember that we drafted one of the best potential 3-4 nose tackles available in the 2011 draft. Powe was a HS All-American, a two time all-conference SEC guy at Ole Miss, and was a favorite here on CP for a Chief's draftee last year. 6'2", 335 lbs. and plays with great leverage and relishes being a two-gap, run plugging stuffer at the nose.

Ta'amu is not any better than Powe at the same stage and tended to wash out against the better competition.

However, on the note that Chapman is too small to play nose tackle in a 3-4, you should all take a look at the job that Kyle Williams has done over the past several seasons where he's established himself as the best 3-4 nose tackle in the NFL.

The Chiefs have too much talent on defense and too high expectations out of the unit to entrust the NT position to Jerrell Powe without even being able to monitor his progress until April 16. And for a position like defensive line, those offseason workouts aren't worth much for shit. You really need training camp to see how well hogs are ready to play at a high level.

I'm not doubting the kid, and I hope he does turn it on this year. I had high hopes for Powe when we drafted him and still do, but if he's not ready to play well at that NT position this year, we're going to get caught ****ing a sheep.

If Gregg isn't ready to retire and wants another year, I'm cool with keeping him, Powe, and Toribio (who probably isn't worth a squirrel fart, but you never know) at the position this season. The expectation would then be on Powe to take the starting spot. I'm really not sure if a rookie is going to make much of a difference one way or the other in terms of the quality we have at the NT spot.