Luke Kuechly

[milkman]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Belcher is still weak man on pass plays. If this was like 1890s baseball and we could ask them pass or run play, Belcher might not be a liability on half his downs.

Yet, not a single TE had more than 100 yards receiving, and only 1 TE had more than 6 catches.

But he's terrible in pass coverage.

It's a ****ing myth being perpetuated by dumbasses.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by milkman

Yet, not a single TE had more than 100 yards receiving, and only 1 TE had more than 6 catches.

But he's terrible in pass coverage.

It's a ****ing myth being perpetuated by dumbasses.

This.

Belcher is hardly the liability against the pass that people around here are making him out to be. He's more than athletic enough to stay with most tight ends and the real problem with tight end coverage had to do with the safeties.

Belcher brings the lumber and has a good knack for finding the ball/sniffing out the play.

Drafting a Mike backer early would be a waste of a high pick at this point.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by milkman

Yet, not a single TE had more than 100 yards receiving, and only 1 TE had more than 6 catches.

But he's terrible in pass coverage.

It's a ****ing myth being perpetuated by dumbasses.

4 passes defended in 3 seasons, 0 interceptions. Derrick Johnson had 9 PD just last year with 2 INT. Johnson also had 2 sacks to none for Belcher. Your stat is worthless if you don't tell us how many times those TEs lined up on Johnson's side and how many lined up on Belcher's side or if they instead had coverage on a back.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by whoman69

4 passes defended in 3 seasons, 0 interceptions. Derrick Johnson had 9 PD just last year with 2 INT. Johnson also had 2 sacks to none for Belcher. Your stat is worthless if you don't tell us how many times those TEs lined up on Johnson's side and how many lined up on Belcher's side or if they instead had coverage on a back.

I don't give a rat's ass if the TEs lined up on Belcher's side every time.

The numbers here don't ****ing lie.

The numbers tell us that anyone that says that the Chiefs were raped by TEs is a baldfaced liar or an idiot.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by milkman

I don't give a rat's ass if the TEs lined up on Belcher's side every time.

The numbers here don't ****ing lie.

The numbers tell us that anyone that says that the Chiefs were raped by TEs is a baldfaced liar or an idiot.

Your stats would look better if it were fact that the TE lined up on Belcher's side every time but they didn't.

That's not the claim that was made anyway. The claim is that Belcher is invisible in pass coverage.

The numbers aren't so pristine as you claim anyway. All-Pro Scott Chandler caught 5 passes for 63 yards and 2 TD. Javid Best caught 4 passes in the underneath area usually covered by linebackers in week 2 and 1 TD. Backup TE Randy McMichael had 4 receptions in week 3. Visanthe Shiancoe was the Vikings top receiver with 6 catches against the Vikes. It was his season high. Anthony Fasano caught 2 TD passes. Gronkowski caught 4 balls for 2 TDs and nearly 100 yards, while Hernandez had another 4 catches.

Here is another stat. Belcher only made 16 tackles on running plays. Not only is he not defending passes, he's not even close enough to the play to make a tackle. He was on the field more than 200 pass plays last year. He can't rush the passer, can't defend the pass and isn't close to making plays once a pass is caught. Tell me again how he isn't invisible in pass coverage.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Your stats would look better if it were fact that the TE lined up on Belcher's side every time but they didn't.

That's not the claim that was made anyway. The claim is that Belcher is invisible in pass coverage.

The numbers aren't so pristine as you claim anyway. All-Pro Scott Chandler caught 5 passes for 63 yards and 2 TD. Javid Best caught 4 passes in the underneath area usually covered by linebackers in week 2 and 1 TD. Backup TE Randy McMichael had 4 receptions in week 3. Visanthe Shiancoe was the Vikings top receiver with 6 catches against the Vikes. It was his season high. Anthony Fasano caught 2 TD passes. Gronkowski caught 4 balls for 2 TDs and nearly 100 yards, while Hernandez had another 4 catches.

Here is another stat. Belcher only made 16 tackles on running plays. Not only is he not defending passes, he's not even close enough to the play to make a tackle. He was on the field more than 200 pass plays last year. He can't rush the passer, can't defend the pass and isn't close to making plays once a pass is caught. Tell me again how he isn't invisible in pass coverage.

You're the guy that is making the claim that Belcher is terrible in coverage.

You tell me, how many of those passes to TEs did he give up?

Just a rough guess will do.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by milkman

You're the guy that is making the claim that Belcher is terrible in coverage.

You tell me, how many of those passes to TEs did he give up?

Just a rough guess will do.

Linebackers cover more than just tight ends. If Belcher is in there for base defense (which is mostly what he is in) he could be on a TE, HB or FB depending on the offensive formation. He was on the field for 45% of pass plays, had one pass defended, no INTs, no sacks and 16 tackles. That's invisible. Let's come up with a number (probably low) and say that the receivers that Belcher was assigned to cover got 3 catches a game. He knocked down one pass and was only close enough to his guy to get a tackle 16 times when his area should be middle of the field. That tells me he was in such bad coverage that he couldn't even get to the man to get a tackle two thirds of the time on short passes. You've got DJ on the other side of the field, expected to cover the other half short and his numbers blow Belcher away.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Linebackers cover more than just tight ends. If Belcher is in there for base defense (which is mostly what he is in) he could be on a TE, HB or FB depending on the offensive formation. He was on the field for 45% of pass plays, had one pass defended, no INTs, no sacks and 16 tackles. That's invisible. Let's come up with a number (probably low) and say that the receivers that Belcher was assigned to cover got 3 catches a game. He knocked down one pass and was only close enough to his guy to get a tackle 16 times when his area should be middle of the field. That tells me he was in such bad coverage that he couldn't even get to the man to get a tackle two thirds of the time on short passes. You've got DJ on the other side of the field, expected to cover the other half short and his numbers blow Belcher away.

So, according to you, Belcher had 16 tackles in the passing game, and elswhere you stated he had 6 tackle in the running game, yet he was the team's second leading tackler.

Holy shit, our defense was awful last year.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by whoman69

4 passes defended in 3 seasons, 0 interceptions. Derrick Johnson had 9 PD just last year with 2 INT. Johnson also had 2 sacks to none for Belcher. Your stat is worthless if you don't tell us how many times those TEs lined up on Johnson's side and how many lined up on Belcher's side or if they instead had coverage on a back.

2 words...different roles.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by milkman

Yet, not a single TE had more than 100 yards receiving, and only 1 TE had more than 6 catches.

But he's terrible in pass coverage.

It's a ****ing myth being perpetuated by dumbasses.

So you want to bring back Sabby and McGraw since they did such a good job limiting TE's on passing downs?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

So you want to bring back Sabby and McGraw since they did such a good job limiting TE's on passing downs?

You're the dumbass that keeps assigning blame for TEs raping our defense, which is a ****ing joke.