It won't be DeCastro. I'm still betting Kuechly. But here's a dark horse... - Page 5

Direckshun · 04-16-2012, 08:48 AM

I am willing to bet something severe on my signature, like a one-year ownership of it, that this team will not take David DeCastro at any point in the 2012 NFL Draft.

Several reasons, which we've all visited:

The run game is mostly fine. We led the league in rushing two years ago with Thomas ****ing Jones taking half the carries, behind Ryan Lilja. Scott Pioli does not view Lilja as a weak spot, nor really should he for another year or two. DeCastro would offer an upgrade, but it would almost certainly involve cutting Lilja, which Pioli is not going to do.
At the same time, DeCastro would offer an upgrade over Lilja in pass protection, but only a marginal one. Lilja is a technician in pass protection, and you're only going to see the upgrade against the bigger nose tackles when they're lined up over Lilja. Even then, as milkman said in another thread, Cassel still took over 40 sacks in New England behind their stud, first round guard.
The Chiefs do have three good value guards under contract, and by good value I mean we have two solid starters and solid depth with Darryl Harris, which is what most teams strive for. All three first-rounders during the Pioli era have been selections at a position the team is perilously thin at (2009, DE; 2010, S; 2011, WR).
Kind of a lesser argument here, but DeCastro was not a captain at Stanford, and has a reputation for being quiet as a Will Sheilds mouse. If Pioli's going to take a guard, he's going to want it to be a dynamic-changing personality -- not somebody who will just upgrade one spot, but somebody who will elevate several spots through force of will.
Even more than picking an elite talent at guard, Pioli wants to stockpile 2012 and 2013 draft picks. It's infinitely more likely we'll trade out of the #11 to somebody who really wants DeCastro than it is we'll pick DeCastro ourselves.

It is still my opinion that this team wants Luke Kuechly. The Chiefs in 2013 will only have one ILB under contract in DJ. Siler and Belcher will be free agents, though I believe Pioli would love to keep Belcher, and I bet we can.

Although I really believe, following this front office as closely as I've tried to, that Mark Barron and Michael Brockers are both everything this front office loves in a prospect. The safety position is very thin now, and the DE position will be thin next year, assuming Brandon Bair doesn't blow up.

It doesn't take a lot to see that they are really intrigued by Tannehill.

And they no doubt love Riley Reiff, but of course we have no need for him.

Another dark horse, considering these factors: the Chiefs still lack a deep threat to stretch defenses, and Baldwin's shown flashes, but only flashes, at this point is still a bit unreliable.

Kendall Wright played for four years at Baylor, and was an emotional team captain for that offense (whereas RG3 is more of a cool-as-a-cucumber, poker face leader). Wright's timed speed means precisely jack and shit to Pioli, who's spoken at length about Kendrick Lewis playing faster than he timed -- and Wright plays like a 4.4 speed demon.

The Chiefs have Breaston and Baldwin another four years, and I don't think they'll get Bowe signed in July. They may hold off longer to see if Baldwin can take off, and if he does (and he's shown that he can...), they could always let Bowe walk or trade him off, and a WR corps of Baldwin, Breaston, and Wright would provide a perfect balance of weapons.

Of course, I hope we never do let Bowe go. In a passing league, there is plenty of room for four WR's to get lots of catches, and it would make life very easy for the QBotF after Cassel.

No point to this thread, other than some random thoughts. I think Wright is a sleeper if the Chiefs trade down.

Saccopoo · 04-16-2012, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

Calling for Reiff or Martin in the first round for us is sac level dumbassery in regards to line play.

From the guy who wants Tannehill (1 1/2 years as a starter after being converted to wide receiver in a total gimmick spread system) or Mark Barron (torn pec repair, double hernia repair, arrest who was no better than a third rounder to start the 2011 season).

That's your first round wish list?

Talk about dumbassery.

Sorter · 04-16-2012, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

The quarterback position - not so much. Quinn is at least even with Cassel. Stanzi? Who knows. He could be good. Pioli has talked him up recently (mentioned him favorably at the combine). We don't have Joe Montana in his prime, but neither does any other team.

OLB we have Sheffield and Studebaker, both of whom have experience playing the position at the NFL level.

ILB has Siler and Greenwood.

Safety? That's a concern spot and we'll probably look at that in this draft, though Brown or Washington could fill in in a pinch.

Tackle? Yeah, there is nobody after Albert and Winston. No one. Zilch. Zero. Nada.

And still people think we should draft DeCastro when guard is the deepest position on this team.

At OLB, if we lose Tamba, we lose 14 sacks. No way Sheffield and Studebaker combine to replace that. Not including pressures, fumbles, etc. ILB is a nightmare if DJ goes down. My only reasoning for taking Kuechly is an insurance policy for Johnson. Because if he gets injured, we have nobody who can come close to doing what he does for our team defensively. There would definitely be a drop off with Kuechly playing instead of DJ, but it would be close to what we saw last year when Berry got hurt.
At Safety, we have nobody. However, its pretty much assumed we'll certainly address that via the draft.
At tackle, yes. There is certainly a liability behind Winston/Albert. I wouldn't be opposed to drafting one in the 4th-7th rounds. I personally wouldn't burn a high pick on it, but that's me.

Sorter · 04-16-2012, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

A.J. Jenkins?

Would love to see us pick him up. Actually, I think receiver is the deepest position in this years draft by far. You have plenty of guys who can contribute as possession guys that will be available in the mid-late rounds, like McNutt, Fuller, Criner, Sanau. Then slot guys like Adams, Broyles, Hilton. You obviously have the 3 imo that can do it all in Blackmon, Floyd, and Wright. You also have the pure deep threats, which consists of Hill, Jenkins, Childs, and to some Jeffery/Randle. Seems to me there are multiple guys who will be able to contribute immediately on offense or on special teams.

**The Franchise** · 04-16-2012, 01:46 PM

If you're going to be taking a player as an "insurance policy"....you take the OLB...not the ILB.

Sorter · 04-16-2012, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

If you're going to be taking a player as an "insurance policy"....you take the OLB...not the ILB.

Agreed. I'm just trying to figure out some reasoning for us taking Kuechly. Don't really want him. However, I do think our defense will struggle without DJ.

Direckshun · 04-16-2012, 06:37 PM

Careful, Sac.

Don't fall into the Drafturbator tactic of just shitting on people you disagree with. Especially when you refuse to admit you're wrong, as you've been want to do.

Hamas in exile along with Dane and Mecca's exodus from this board has made this one of the most civil draft seasons in CP history.

Bewbies · 04-16-2012, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Careful, Sac.

Don't fall into the Drafturbator tactic of just shitting on people you disagree with. Especially when you refuse to admit you're wrong, as you've been want to do.

Hamas in exile along with Dane and Mecca's exodus from this board has made this one of the most civil draft seasons in CP history.

Maybe, but a lot of the fun is gone too. And not just because of where we pick and who's available...

**RealSNR** · 04-16-2012, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Careful, Sac.

Don't fall into the Drafturbator tactic of just shitting on people you disagree with. Especially when you refuse to admit you're wrong, as you've been want to do.

Hamas in exile along with Dane and Mecca's exodus from this board has made this one of the most civil draft seasons in CP history.

Go **** yourself

Bewbies · 04-16-2012, 07:30 PM

That's the spirit!!

Okie_Apparition · 04-16-2012, 07:45 PM

A running back to prop up Cassel before a guard to protect him
Richardson's tag is too rich to pay

**the Talking Can** · 04-16-2012, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Careful, Sac.

Don't fall into the Drafturbator tactic of just shitting on people you disagree with. Especially when you refuse to admit you're wrong, as you've been want to do.

Hamas in exile along with Dane and Mecca's exodus from this board has made this one of the most civil draft seasons in CP history.

and most boring...

Direckshun · 04-16-2012, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

Maybe, but a lot of the fun is gone too. And not just because of where we pick and who's available...

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

and most boring...

I'm not saying it's better. I love what Hamas and Mecca bring to the table. Dane was more performance art than anything.

But I don't need a flamewar to make my life interesting. You guys apparently do.

O.city · 04-16-2012, 08:55 PM

After reading and watching clips, I think I'd rather take Hightower. If i'm taking an ILB.

**RealSNR** · 04-16-2012, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Okie_Apparition

A running back to prop up Cassel before a guard to protect him
Richardson's tag is too rich to pay

Get AIDS, True Fan.

**RealSNR** · 04-16-2012, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Direckshun

I'm not saying it's better. I love what Hamas and Mecca bring to the table. Dane was more performance art than anything.

But I don't need a flamewar to make my life interesting. You guys apparently do.

Go shove a shotgun up your ass and blow off the top of your head.

04-16-2012, 08:48 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2103447	It won't be DeCastro. I'm still betting Kuechly. But here's a dark horse... I am willing to bet something severe on my signature, like a one-year ownership of it, that this team will not take David DeCastro at any point in the 2012 NFL Draft. Several reasons, which we've all visited: The run game is mostly fine. We led the league in rushing two years ago with Thomas ***ing Jones taking half the carries, behind* Ryan Lilja. Scott Pioli does not view Lilja as a weak spot, nor really should he for another year or two. DeCastro would offer an upgrade, but it would almost certainly involve cutting Lilja, which Pioli is not going to do. At the same time, DeCastro would offer an upgrade over Lilja in pass protection, but only a marginal one. Lilja is a technician in pass protection, and you're only going to see the upgrade against the bigger nose tackles when they're lined up over Lilja. Even then, as milkman said in another thread, Cassel still took over 40 sacks in New England behind their stud, first round guard. The Chiefs do have three good value guards under contract, and by good value I mean we have two solid starters and solid depth with Darryl Harris, which is what most teams strive for. All three first-rounders during the Pioli era have been selections at a position the team is perilously thin at (2009, DE; 2010, S; 2011, WR). Kind of a lesser argument here, but DeCastro was not a captain at Stanford, and has a reputation for being quiet as a Will Sheilds mouse. If Pioli's going to take a guard, he's going to want it to be a dynamic-changing personality -- not somebody who will just upgrade one spot, but somebody who will elevate several spots through force of will. Even more than picking an elite talent at guard, Pioli wants to stockpile 2012 and 2013 draft picks. It's infinitely more likely we'll trade out of the #11 to somebody who really wants DeCastro than it is we'll pick DeCastro ourselves. It is still my opinion that this team wants Luke Kuechly. The Chiefs in 2013 will only have one ILB under contract in DJ. Siler and Belcher will be free agents, though I believe Pioli would love to keep Belcher, and I bet we can. Although I really believe, following this front office as closely as I've tried to, that Mark Barron and Michael Brockers are both everything this front office loves in a prospect. The safety position is very thin now, and the DE position will be thin next year, assuming Brandon Bair doesn't blow up. It doesn't take a lot to see that they are really intrigued by Tannehill. And they no doubt love Riley Reiff, but of course we have no need for him. Another dark horse, considering these factors: the Chiefs still lack a deep threat to stretch defenses, and Baldwin's shown flashes, but only flashes, at this point is still a bit unreliable. Kendall Wright played for four years at Baylor, and was an emotional team captain for that offense (whereas RG3 is more of a cool-as-a-cucumber, poker face leader). Wright's timed speed means precisely jack and shit to Pioli, who's spoken at length about Kendrick Lewis playing faster than he timed -- and Wright plays like a 4.4 speed demon. The Chiefs have Breaston and Baldwin another four years, and I don't think they'll get Bowe signed in July. They may hold off longer to see if Baldwin can take off, and if he does (and he's shown that he can...), they could always let Bowe walk or trade him off, and a WR corps of Baldwin, Breaston, and Wright would provide a perfect balance of weapons. Of course, I hope we never do let Bowe go. In a passing league, there is plenty of room for four WR's to get lots of catches, and it would make life very easy for the QBotF after Cassel. No point to this thread, other than some random thoughts. I think Wright is a sleeper if the Chiefs trade down.
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