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Old 04-16-2012, 08:48 AM  
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It won't be DeCastro. I'm still betting Kuechly. But here's a dark horse...

I am willing to bet something severe on my signature, like a one-year ownership of it, that this team will not take David DeCastro at any point in the 2012 NFL Draft.

Several reasons, which we've all visited:
  • The run game is mostly fine. We led the league in rushing two years ago with Thomas ****ing Jones taking half the carries, behind Ryan Lilja. Scott Pioli does not view Lilja as a weak spot, nor really should he for another year or two. DeCastro would offer an upgrade, but it would almost certainly involve cutting Lilja, which Pioli is not going to do.
  • At the same time, DeCastro would offer an upgrade over Lilja in pass protection, but only a marginal one. Lilja is a technician in pass protection, and you're only going to see the upgrade against the bigger nose tackles when they're lined up over Lilja. Even then, as milkman said in another thread, Cassel still took over 40 sacks in New England behind their stud, first round guard.
  • The Chiefs do have three good value guards under contract, and by good value I mean we have two solid starters and solid depth with Darryl Harris, which is what most teams strive for. All three first-rounders during the Pioli era have been selections at a position the team is perilously thin at (2009, DE; 2010, S; 2011, WR).
  • Kind of a lesser argument here, but DeCastro was not a captain at Stanford, and has a reputation for being quiet as a Will Sheilds mouse. If Pioli's going to take a guard, he's going to want it to be a dynamic-changing personality -- not somebody who will just upgrade one spot, but somebody who will elevate several spots through force of will.
  • Even more than picking an elite talent at guard, Pioli wants to stockpile 2012 and 2013 draft picks. It's infinitely more likely we'll trade out of the #11 to somebody who really wants DeCastro than it is we'll pick DeCastro ourselves.
It is still my opinion that this team wants Luke Kuechly. The Chiefs in 2013 will only have one ILB under contract in DJ. Siler and Belcher will be free agents, though I believe Pioli would love to keep Belcher, and I bet we can.

Although I really believe, following this front office as closely as I've tried to, that Mark Barron and Michael Brockers are both everything this front office loves in a prospect. The safety position is very thin now, and the DE position will be thin next year, assuming Brandon Bair doesn't blow up.

It doesn't take a lot to see that they are really intrigued by Tannehill.

And they no doubt love Riley Reiff, but of course we have no need for him.

Another dark horse, considering these factors: the Chiefs still lack a deep threat to stretch defenses, and Baldwin's shown flashes, but only flashes, at this point is still a bit unreliable.

Kendall Wright played for four years at Baylor, and was an emotional team captain for that offense (whereas RG3 is more of a cool-as-a-cucumber, poker face leader). Wright's timed speed means precisely jack and shit to Pioli, who's spoken at length about Kendrick Lewis playing faster than he timed -- and Wright plays like a 4.4 speed demon.

The Chiefs have Breaston and Baldwin another four years, and I don't think they'll get Bowe signed in July. They may hold off longer to see if Baldwin can take off, and if he does (and he's shown that he can...), they could always let Bowe walk or trade him off, and a WR corps of Baldwin, Breaston, and Wright would provide a perfect balance of weapons.

Of course, I hope we never do let Bowe go. In a passing league, there is plenty of room for four WR's to get lots of catches, and it would make life very easy for the QBotF after Cassel.

No point to this thread, other than some random thoughts. I think Wright is a sleeper if the Chiefs trade down.
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Old 04-18-2012, 06:20 PM   #106
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You're the one who needs to jump off a building for that suggestion. We all know you are a massive Iowa homer, but how many NFL teams do you know that builds their rosters around back up QBs? McNutt in the 2nd or 3rd? Are you his brother?
I'll bet everything I have McNutt doesn't make it out of the third round.

In fact, I bet there is a better chance he goes in the second round than the bottom half of the third round.

My thoughts on McNutt have very little to do with Stanzi.

The kid is gonna be a very dependable clutch player that moves the chains and puts points on the board.

I made it very clear that letting Bowe walk would be a huge mistake, but if we are gonna make that mistake we better at least fill the spot with a good prospect.

I've been talking up MM for three years on here.
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Old 04-18-2012, 06:21 PM   #107
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Saints drafted Robert Meachum in the first when they didn't need a WR.

Packers drafted Randall Cobb last year in the 2nd when they didn't need a WR.

Is there any chance you'd argue either of those were poor selections?
Considering who their QBs are, no. Adding another weapon to the arsenal that Cassel can't use...
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Old 04-18-2012, 06:22 PM   #108
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And Reiff could play any position on the O-Line except center.

If you draft him, you get a new starter at guard that all the dumbasses are clamoring for, but a guy that can step outside to LT if the need arises.

And yes, a good backup LT is more valuable than a starter at guard.
He's not near the player DeCastro projects to be.
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And Reiff could play any position on the O-Line except center.

If you draft him, you get a new starter at guard that all the dumbasses are clamoring for, but a guy that can step outside to LT if the need arises.

And yes, a good backup LT is more valuable than a starter at guard.
If we have no other options than Reiff, Decastro or Kuechly...I totally agree with you.

That's not the case, though.

Give me Barron and a mid round center.
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Old 04-18-2012, 06:26 PM   #110
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He's not near the player DeCastro projects to be.
I'm fully aware of their projections, but I would not ever consider using a top 15 pick on a dedicated guard.

I don't care how you present the argument, and DJ's left nut does the best job at presenting an argument, the fact is, and always will be, that guard is not a difference making position, and you don't use premium picks on that.
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It's been reported that Reiff is expected to slip now. Using what Milkman said we'd be better off trading down and getting Cordy Glenn.
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I'm fully aware of their projections, but I would not ever consider using a top 15 pick on a dedicated guard.

I don't care how you present the argument, and DJ's left nut does the best job at presenting an argument, the fact is, and always will be, that guard is not a difference making position, and you don't use premium picks on that.
It's a safe pick do you think it sets the team back 5 years down the road?
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I'm pretty sure Reiff started every line position at Iowa except center.

This front office LOVES versatility and drafts it at a premium.

Dexter and Arenas are perfect examples of that.
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It's been reported that Reiff is expected to slip now. Using what Milkman said we'd be better off trading down and getting Cordy Glenn.
Hell, we'd be better off trading down, regardless.
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Hell, we'd be better off trading down, regardless.
I'm for it unless Ingram or Tannehill are sitting there at 11.
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It's a safe pick do you think it sets the team back 5 years down the road?
I would always use a premium pick on a player at a difference making position over "safe" picks.

And in today's NFL, there isn't a single pick that will set you back 5 years.
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I'm for it unless Ingram or Tannehill are sitting there at 11.
As much as I like what Ingram offers to this D, I would still be in favor of trading down.

We agree on Tannehill.
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I'm such an Iowa homer that I called Bulaga falling to the 20s and have said over and over that Reiff will probably slip to a similar spot.

WAYYYY before ANYONE else did in the media.
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I saw on Twitter the Jags want to trade out and are hoping we'd trade up to get Tannehill. What would that cost us? A 3rd?
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As much as I like what Ingram offers to this D, I would still be in favor of trading down.

We agree on Tannehill.
That Mercilus kid should be in the conversation, as should Barron.
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