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Old 04-26-2012, 10:33 AM   #1
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I don't understand why some people on this board devalue the DE in this defense.

The DE has to occupy bigger, stronger, more athletic OL and is responsible for more space than the NT is.

The defensive line in absolutely every defensive scheme is the second-most important position on a football team other than QB (maybe LT, too). To think our defense is the exception to that rule is assinine.
It's really a product of the Tyson Jackson deal. If that pick had been made ten spots later, nobody would be complaining about it, but since it happened at #3, everybody hates that pick anywhere in the first round.
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:38 AM   #2
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It's really a product of the Tyson Jackson deal. If that pick had been made ten spots later, nobody would be complaining about it, but since it happened at #3, everybody hates that pick anywhere in the first round.
You're exactly right.
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:44 AM   #3
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It's really a product of the Tyson Jackson deal. If that pick had been made ten spots later, nobody would be complaining about it, but since it happened at #3, everybody hates that pick anywhere in the first round.
Fact. The same goes if Jackson had been producing Seymour-esque numbers.
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:44 PM   #4
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It's really a product of the Tyson Jackson deal. If that pick had been made ten spots later, nobody would be complaining about it, but since it happened at #3, everybody hates that pick anywhere in the first round.
Nobody in those days wanted to trade into the top 5.
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Old 04-26-2012, 01:45 PM   #5
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:16 AM   #6
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I don't think Pioli would be drafting 5 techs high if the value of the position to our team wasn't off the charts. They took 5 techs high in NE as well.
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Old 04-26-2012, 10:20 AM   #7
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Hearing #Broncos have Lamar Miller much higher on their board than anyone else. Keep an eye on him.

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Old 04-26-2012, 10:44 AM   #8
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Hearing #Broncos have Lamar Miller much higher on their board than anyone else. Keep an eye on him.

https://twitter.com/#!/nfldraftscout...47381046054912
I would be ecstatic for Dungver to waste another 1st round pick on a RB.
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:17 PM   #9
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I would be ecstatic for Dungver to waste another 1st round pick on a RB.
Miller is a home run hitter at RB. I do not want them with a guy like that.
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:42 PM   #10
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I would be ecstatic for Dungver to waste another 1st round pick on a RB.
Drafting a RB at 25 is pretty good value. I wouldn't be surprised if the Donks did draft Doug Martin or Lamar Miller at 25.
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:45 PM   #11
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Drafting a RB at 25 is pretty good value. I wouldn't be surprised if the Donks did draft Doug Martin or Lamar Miller at 25.
Hope it works out as well as Slowshon Moreno.
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:54 AM   #12
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Patriots talk to Seahawks about trading up to 12

Patriots coach Bill Belichick may be thinking about packaging his own first-round draft pick (No. 31) and the Saints’ pick (No. 27) to trade to the Seahawks to move up to No. 12.

Albert Breer of NFL Network reports that the Patriots have inquired with the Seahawks to see what it would take to move up to 12.

Moving way up doesn’t seem like the type of move Belichick likes to make, but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t do it if he believes a player at 12 can make the kind of impact that the last player he drafted early in the first round, Jerod Mayo, made. One player Belichick might consider at 12 is Alabama safety Mark Barron.

The old NFL draft trade chart is somewhat outdated these days, but it does suggest that packaging No. 27 and No. 31 for No. 12 would be a fair trade. The chart gives the 12th pick a value of 1,200 points, the 27th pick a value of 680 points and the 31st pick a value of 600 points.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ding-up-to-12/
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Old 04-26-2012, 11:56 AM   #13
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Patriots talk to Seahawks about trading up to 12

Patriots coach Bill Belichick may be thinking about packaging his own first-round draft pick (No. 31) and the Saints’ pick (No. 27) to trade to the Seahawks to move up to No. 12.

Albert Breer of NFL Network reports that the Patriots have inquired with the Seahawks to see what it would take to move up to 12.

Moving way up doesn’t seem like the type of move Belichick likes to make, but that doesn’t mean he wouldn’t do it if he believes a player at 12 can make the kind of impact that the last player he drafted early in the first round, Jerod Mayo, made. One player Belichick might consider at 12 is Alabama safety Mark Barron.

The old NFL draft trade chart is somewhat outdated these days, but it does suggest that packaging No. 27 and No. 31 for No. 12 would be a fair trade. The chart gives the 12th pick a value of 1,200 points, the 27th pick a value of 680 points and the 31st pick a value of 600 points.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ding-up-to-12/
Bill should call his old buddy Scott if he wants to work a deal out. They're so good at it.

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Old 04-26-2012, 11:56 AM   #14
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Would seem that Pioli has his eye on someone he doesn't expect to fall to 27, then, otherwise I figure the Pats would just move up to 11 with the same package.
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Old 04-26-2012, 12:05 PM   #15
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Pats tell me there has been NO discussion with seattle about the 12th pick. Not with Coach, Caserio, or anyone else.
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