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Old 04-25-2012, 12:29 PM   #1
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The Bears aren't shy about drafting OL early. I like that about them. The best teams were built around that terrific defense and dominant OL.
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Old 04-25-2012, 12:32 PM   #2
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The Bears aren't shy about drafting OL early. I like that about them. The best teams were built around that terrific defense and dominant OL.
You mean like the SB Champion Giants?

How about that great O-Line that lead the Pack to the SB last year?

And, of course, that Steeler SB team had an awsome O-Line.
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Old 04-25-2012, 12:38 PM   #3
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You mean like the SB Champion Giants?

How about that great O-Line that lead the Pack to the SB last year?

And, of course, that Steeler SB team had an awsome O-Line.
Which Steeler team are you referring to? The Webster years? Yes...they had great offensive lines. They controlled the clock. They imposed their will consistently.

Yes, wouldn't it be wonderful if we could just pick up the next Manning or Rogers? Unfortunately, that guy isn't out there by pick #3.

So let's just keep carping at every other possibility.
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:02 PM   #4
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The Bears aren't shy about drafting OL early. I like that about them. The best teams were built around that terrific defense and dominant OL.
The best teams are built around a QB. You can give Cassel probowlers at every OL position and it doesn't make him any better.
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Old 04-25-2012, 01:14 PM   #5
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The best teams are built around a QB. You can give Cassel probowlers at every OL position and it doesn't make him any better.
Bullshit! I'm not a Cassel fan in the least, but that is just wrong on every level. You put a Pro Bowl line in front of KC's existing backfield and it makes EVERYTHING better, especially the defense. Just ask them!

It is a passing league Milkman (to address the earlier post). I understand that as well as you do. If you have an elite QB, you are one of teams who can contend for the Super Bowl. No question about that. I just don't believe that Tannehill is going to be one of those guys, and I don't want the Chiefs to gamble when there are terrific players sitting there at that pick who could improve the team.
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Bullshit! I'm not a Cassel fan in the least, but that is just wrong on every level. You put a Pro Bowl line in front of KC's existing backfield and it makes EVERYTHING better, especially the defense. Just ask them!
No, it won't make Cassel better. Cassel takes sacks if he has all the time in the world. How many times was Orton sacked again?
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Bullshit! I'm not a Cassel fan in the least, but that is just wrong on every level. You put a Pro Bowl line in front of KC's existing backfield and it makes EVERYTHING better, especially the defense. Just ask them!

It is a passing league Milkman (to address the earlier post). I understand that as well as you do. If you have an elite QB, you are one of teams who can contend for the Super Bowl. No question about that. I just don't believe that Tannehill is going to be one of those guys, and I don't want the Chiefs to gamble when there are terrific players sitting there at that pick who could improve the team.
I just don't believe that you can compete for the SB with a medicre, or worse, QB, even with the best O-Line in the NFL in front of him.

I also believe that you can improve the line just as much with guys like Zeitler or Osemele in the second round, or leaving Hudson at guard, with guys like David Molk or Ben Jones at center.
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Bullshit! I'm not a Cassel fan in the least, but that is just wrong on every level. You put a Pro Bowl line in front of KC's existing backfield and it makes EVERYTHING better, especially the defense. Just ask them!
It doesn't make our playoff win drought any better. We'd lose the big games the same ****ing way we've been losing them ever since Joe Montana retired.
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I don't want the Chiefs to gamble when there are terrific players sitting there at that pick who could improve the team.
The Chiefs are going to have to gamble at some point or be forever mired in mediocrity. It is unlikely that they will have the #1 pick any time soon (and the right QB has to be there in any case). They are going to have to gamble with guys like Tannehill that have potential but also have warts. Having the best guard or ILB in the NFL isn't going to win you SBs.

I think they need to keep taking QB's until they find one. I hope they aren't hanging their hat on winning the lottery (Brady) or it will be a looong time before we get one.
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The Chiefs are going to have to gamble at some point or be forever mired in mediocrity. It is unlikely that they will have the #1 pick any time soon (and the right QB has to be there in any case). They are going to have to gamble with guys like Tannehill that have potential but also have warts. Having the best guard or ILB in the NFL isn't going to win you SBs.

I think they need to keep taking QB's until they find one. I hope they aren't hanging their hat on winning the lottery (Brady) or it will be a looong time before we get one.
If Tannehill becomes that golden QB that wins Super Bowls...great. Do whatever it takes to get him now. You don't just keep taking QBs in the draft hoping one of them will work out. At least you don't do that if your career is riding on it.

Baltimore won a Super Bowl with Dilfer at QB. It can be done. There are other examples of average QBs winning Super Bowls, just not many of them recently. We've been in a period of dominant franchise QBs. However, that's not the exclusive recipe for Super Bowl success.
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If Tannehill becomes that golden QB that wins Super Bowls...great. Do whatever it takes to get him now. You don't just keep taking QBs in the draft hoping one of them will work out. At least you don't do that if your career is riding on it.

Baltimore won a Super Bowl with Dilfer at QB. It can be done. There are other examples of average QBs winning Super Bowls, just not many of them recently. We've been in a period of dominant franchise QBs. However, that's not the exclusive recipe for Super Bowl success.
The problem is that with the evolution of rules that favor offense, primarily the passing game, the days of winning SBs with mediocre QBs and superior defense are a thing of the past.

And even before those rules changes, those were rare cases with Dilfer and Brad Johnson, and teams like those Ravens and Bucs, that could have been dynastic, were limited to single SB wins by their mediocre QB play.
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This is why the Chiefs are the Chiefs.
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This is why the Chiefs are the Chiefs.
It's just too darn risky to take a QB high.
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