Chiefs Yes, Memphis really had no idea how to use Poe. - Page 5

Direckshun · 04-28-2012, 06:13 PM

Fascinating...

http://blogs.wsj.com/dailyfix/2012/0...ogle_news_blog

A Guide to NFL Draft Sleepers
April 27, 2012, 2:18 PM

Any seasoned NFL fan knows the deal with the draft by now: Your team makes a selection and management calls the fact that he was available a miracle. “We never thought he’d drop so far,” team executives say.

It’s become such a cliché that it’s a surprise Colts G.M. Ryan Grigson didn’t say it last night when selecting Andrew Luck with perhaps the most telegraphed first overall pick in draft history. But sometimes a player does fall for reasons other teams may come to regret. For those liable to think every player their team drafted was an absolute steal, we put together a handy guide to let you know if you have a sleeper on your hands:

THE OUT-OF-POSITION SLEEPER

If you look at steals in the draft over the past decade, you’ll find a handful of players who simply moved around too much to show NFL talent. Pro Bowl DT Jay Ratliff dabbled at tight end at Auburn, while star receiver Anquan Boldin had a rocky stint as Florida State’s quarterback. Aaron Kampman, a fifth-rounder out of Iowa who has made two Pro Bowls, switched between linebacker and defensive end – and not in the way teams do that regularly in the NFL. Heck, even Pro Bowl selection Cortland Finnegan was overlooked until the seventh round at cornerback at Samford because he was playing free safety the whole time.

So when examining your steal, see if he can play anywhere else on the field. Or just assume he can and you’ll be much happier. Take Michael Robinson, the former Penn State quarterback who didn’t entertain the idea of playing anywhere but running back in the pros. Still, most switcheroo candidates will take people by surprise. Perhaps a player like LSU’s average quarterback, Jordan Jefferson, who at 6 feet 3 ran a decent 4.6-second 40-yard dash and could be a receiving threat with the right development. Or maybe just a bad quarterback.

THE BAD-SCHEME SLEEPER

There are all sorts of stories about run-first high school offenses keeping future star QBs a secret – Brett Favre and Ben Roethlisberger are the most notable. But it’s rarer in college, where players often go to fit a specific scheme. Still, sometimes a player gets the wrong coach and looks undervalued. One example this year is Dontari Poe, the hulking defensive lineman who raced up draft boards after being ignored during a career at the college-football backwater of Memphis. He had just eight tackles-for-loss last season. On Thursday night, after the Kansas City Chiefs took him 11th overall, Chiefs G.M. Scott Pioli noted that in 49% of his plays, the design of the defensive scheme made it literally impossible for him to record any sort of statistic.

But as we go on in the draft, these players will pop up more and more. In a stunning first-round coincidence, Ryan Tannehill could be considered one of these sleepers, since he was burdened with Texas A&M coach Mike Sherman’s molasses poorly-designed offense. Of course, Tannehill was drafted by the Dolphins last night, where he’ll get a new start with a new … whoops, nevermind, Sherman is the offensive coordinator there after getting fired from his Aggies job.

THE WRONG-SPORT SLEEPER

From Bo Jackson to Brian Jordan, it’s hard to know where to draft a multi-sport athlete, but one thing is clear: They are normally drafted lower than they should be. Last year, the league saw former Miami hoops player Jimmy Graham destroy secondaries. This after another former basketball-star-turned-tight-end, Antonio Gates, has haunted defensive backs for years. The Cowboys used to have a suite at the Final Four for assistants to interview basketball coaches to see which of their players might make the leap. It’s hard to get a read on a player who doesn’t devote himself full time to one sport. (And it doesn’t always work out. For more information, please read up on Drew Henson.)

Whatever the case, this year brings Russell Wilson, the Wisconsin quarterback who was second in the country with 10.3 yards per attempts on his passes. That’s not the only thing to recommend him. He also has a minor-league baseball career that’s taken up most of his summers, so much so that it got him run out of N.C. State’s program. Maybe a team can take a flier on him and he’ll produce if he focuses on football. At the very least, you’re looking at an upgrade on the company softball team.

THE NOT-HIS-FAULT SLEEPER

I’m telling anyone who will listen that Tommy Streeter, Miami’s 6-foot-5 wide receiver, is my big sleeper this year. Streeter is fast, can catch and played for some awful quarterbacks. LSU’s Rueben Randle, who had to deal with his own QB nightmare in Baton Rogue, is another one.

There’s Mohamed Sanu from Rutgers, who didn’t exactly get Johnny Unitas’s passes coming his way. In contrast there are players like Kendall Wright, the Baylor wide receiver who went in the first round to Tennessee and got the benefit of Robert Griffin III throwing to him. There’s always a blurry line there. After all, some great wide receivers, like Michael Irvin, had elite quarterbacks in college. But many (Jerry Rice, Terrell Owens, Isaac Bruce, Calvin Johnson) did not. So please disregard the “lack of production” disclaimer on the draft broadcast in these situations.

Chiefshrink · 04-28-2012, 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

He's not going to do shit for a year or two. Rarely do NT's come out and make an immediate impact. So it'll be fun to see the bust labels in week 4.

Ngata did !

Chiefshrink · 04-28-2012, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psyko Tek

well with our offense he better be able to punch it in from the 50

Totally get your point.

Urc Burry · 04-28-2012, 07:36 PM

I am expecting Poe to be a rotational NT in base, and be the DT along with Bailey in our sub package

Chiefshrink · 04-28-2012, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefer

Poe' boy

Politically incorrect. That wouldn't fly with the PC crowd but it's catchy and I like it.

Chiefshrink · 04-28-2012, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

I'd like to see us let him use that athleticism in rush situations to get to the qb and push the pocket.

Oh that's already a given

and Manning may be forced into retirement especially if J.D Walton remains the starter.

jspchief · 04-28-2012, 07:44 PM

Whether or not he was able to make tackles, he was still an under-whelming presence on the college field, against inferior talent.

-King- · 04-28-2012, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strongside

All I know is that if Poe actually is legit, he's going to make defenses have to basically coin flip to decide who to double team up front. Our pass rush could be nasty this year, fellas.

If he's legit, then this team will dominate on defense for a very long time.
Posted via Mobile Device

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-28-2012, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

While I agree with this most of the time, Wilfork took over as the teams starting nose in his rookie year around week 10 and started all the way to the superbowl iirc.

Wilfork was a lot better prepared for the pro game, but I don't think it's out of the question to think Poe could be ready towards the end of his first year and is the type of guy that continues to improve into his late 20s and he has the tools to do so.

I wish I knew more about his personality and work ethic.

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

Ngata did !

I hope he does, but I'm not holding my breath.

keg in kc · 04-28-2012, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

it'll be fun to see the bust labels in week 4.

By "week 4" you mean "millisecond 4". As in four milliseconds after he was drafted.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 04-28-2012, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keg in kc

By "week 4" you mean "millisecond 4". As in four milliseconds after he was drafted.

Actually I meant millimeter 4, or the very tip of your penis. Bazinga!

keg in kc · 04-28-2012, 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Flopnuts

Actually I meant millimeter 4, or the very tip of your penis. Bazinga!

If that's how close you are to the tip of my penis, I suddenly feel very uncomfortable.

KChiefer · 04-28-2012, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

Politically incorrect. That wouldn't fly with the PC crowd but it's catchy and I like it.

Well, he's not po' anymo'. Really I was thinking along the lines of both Doughboy from "Boyz in the Hood," and the sandwich 'cause he's HUNGRY!!

Johnny Vegas · 04-28-2012, 08:06 PM

poe-powe-q'er

Chiefshrink · 04-28-2012, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jspchief

Whether or not he was able to make tackles, he was still an under-whelming presence on the college field, against inferior talent.

How in the hell do you get coached up with 3 different D coord running 3 different D schemes of which none utilized Poe's athleticism of his 6'4" 350lbs 4.98 40 body in 4yrs??

Fairplay · 04-28-2012, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KChiefer

POE-NAGE!?!?!

I like that one the best. When Poe tackles someone, or sacks the QB.
We can say it was Poe-nage or Poe-ned.

04-28-2012, 06:13 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2063447	Yes, Memphis really had no idea how to use Poe. Fascinating... http://blogs.wsj.com/dailyfix/2012/0...ogle_news_blog A Guide to NFL Draft Sleepers April 27, 2012, 2:18 PM Any seasoned NFL fan knows the deal with the draft by now: Your team makes a selection and management calls the fact that he was available a miracle. “We never thought he’d drop so far,” team executives say. It’s become such a cliché that it’s a surprise Colts G.M. Ryan Grigson didn’t say it last night when selecting Andrew Luck with perhaps the most telegraphed first overall pick in draft history. But sometimes a player does fall for reasons other teams may come to regret. For those liable to think every player their team drafted was an absolute steal, we put together a handy guide to let you know if you have a sleeper on your hands: THE OUT-OF-POSITION SLEEPER If you look at steals in the draft over the past decade, you’ll find a handful of players who simply moved around too much to show NFL talent. Pro Bowl DT Jay Ratliff dabbled at tight end at Auburn, while star receiver Anquan Boldin had a rocky stint as Florida State’s quarterback. Aaron Kampman, a fifth-rounder out of Iowa who has made two Pro Bowls, switched between linebacker and defensive end – and not in the way teams do that regularly in the NFL. Heck, even Pro Bowl selection Cortland Finnegan was overlooked until the seventh round at cornerback at Samford because he was playing free safety the whole time. So when examining your steal, see if he can play anywhere else on the field. Or just assume he can and you’ll be much happier. Take Michael Robinson, the former Penn State quarterback who didn’t entertain the idea of playing anywhere but running back in the pros. Still, most switcheroo candidates will take people by surprise. Perhaps a player like LSU’s average quarterback, Jordan Jefferson, who at 6 feet 3 ran a decent 4.6-second 40-yard dash and could be a receiving threat with the right development. Or maybe just a bad quarterback. THE BAD-SCHEME SLEEPER There are all sorts of stories about run-first high school offenses keeping future star QBs a secret – Brett Favre and Ben Roethlisberger are the most notable. But it’s rarer in college, where players often go to fit a specific scheme. Still, sometimes a player gets the wrong coach and looks undervalued. One example this year is Dontari Poe, the hulking defensive lineman who raced up draft boards after being ignored during a career at the college-football backwater of Memphis. He had just eight tackles-for-loss last season. On Thursday night, after the Kansas City Chiefs took him 11th overall, Chiefs G.M. Scott Pioli noted that in 49% of his plays, the design of the defensive scheme made it literally impossible for him to record any sort of statistic. But as we go on in the draft, these players will pop up more and more. In a stunning first-round coincidence, Ryan Tannehill could be considered one of these sleepers, since he was burdened with Texas A&M coach Mike Sherman’s molasses poorly-designed offense. Of course, Tannehill was drafted by the Dolphins last night, where he’ll get a new start with a new … whoops, nevermind, Sherman is the offensive coordinator there after getting fired from his Aggies job. THE WRONG-SPORT SLEEPER From Bo Jackson to Brian Jordan, it’s hard to know where to draft a multi-sport athlete, but one thing is clear: They are normally drafted lower than they should be. Last year, the league saw former Miami hoops player Jimmy Graham destroy secondaries. This after another former basketball-star-turned-tight-end, Antonio Gates, has haunted defensive backs for years. The Cowboys used to have a suite at the Final Four for assistants to interview basketball coaches to see which of their players might make the leap. It’s hard to get a read on a player who doesn’t devote himself full time to one sport. (And it doesn’t always work out. For more information, please read up on Drew Henson.) Whatever the case, this year brings Russell Wilson, the Wisconsin quarterback who was second in the country with 10.3 yards per attempts on his passes. That’s not the only thing to recommend him. He also has a minor-league baseball career that’s taken up most of his summers, so much so that it got him run out of N.C. State’s program. Maybe a team can take a flier on him and he’ll produce if he focuses on football. At the very least, you’re looking at an upgrade on the company softball team. THE NOT-HIS-FAULT SLEEPER I’m telling anyone who will listen that Tommy Streeter, Miami’s 6-foot-5 wide receiver, is my big sleeper this year. Streeter is fast, can catch and played for some awful quarterbacks. LSU’s Rueben Randle, who had to deal with his own QB nightmare in Baton Rogue, is another one. There’s Mohamed Sanu from Rutgers, who didn’t exactly get Johnny Unitas’s passes coming his way. In contrast there are players like Kendall Wright, the Baylor wide receiver who went in the first round to Tennessee and got the benefit of Robert Griffin III throwing to him. There’s always a blurry line there. After all, some great wide receivers, like Michael Irvin, had elite quarterbacks in college. But many (Jerry Rice, Terrell Owens, Isaac Bruce, Calvin Johnson) did not. So please disregard the “lack of production” disclaimer on the draft broadcast in these situations.
Posts: 59,693

04-28-2012, 07:36 PM	#63
Urc Burry Veteran Join Date: Jan 2011 Casino cash: $8621048	I am expecting Poe to be a rotational NT in base, and be the DT along with Bailey in our sub package
Posts: 2,558

04-28-2012, 07:44 PM	#66
jspchief BAMF Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Your Face Casino cash: $9998710	Whether or not he was able to make tackles, he was still an under-whelming presence on the college field, against inferior talent. __________________ Courage is not the absence of fear but rather the judgment that something is more important than fear. The brave may not live forever but the cautious do not live at all.
Posts: 27,207

04-28-2012, 08:06 PM	#73
Johnny Vegas MVP Join Date: May 2008 Casino cash: $3244814	poe-powe-q'er
Posts: 5,098