Yes, Memphis really had no idea how to use Poe.

[Direckshun]

Fascinating...

http://blogs.wsj.com/dailyfix/2012/0...ogle_news_blog

A Guide to NFL Draft Sleepers
April 27, 2012, 2:18 PM

Any seasoned NFL fan knows the deal with the draft by now: Your team makes a selection and management calls the fact that he was available a miracle. “We never thought he’d drop so far,” team executives say.

It’s become such a cliché that it’s a surprise Colts G.M. Ryan Grigson didn’t say it last night when selecting Andrew Luck with perhaps the most telegraphed first overall pick in draft history. But sometimes a player does fall for reasons other teams may come to regret. For those liable to think every player their team drafted was an absolute steal, we put together a handy guide to let you know if you have a sleeper on your hands:

THE OUT-OF-POSITION SLEEPER

If you look at steals in the draft over the past decade, you’ll find a handful of players who simply moved around too much to show NFL talent. Pro Bowl DT Jay Ratliff dabbled at tight end at Auburn, while star receiver Anquan Boldin had a rocky stint as Florida State’s quarterback. Aaron Kampman, a fifth-rounder out of Iowa who has made two Pro Bowls, switched between linebacker and defensive end – and not in the way teams do that regularly in the NFL. Heck, even Pro Bowl selection Cortland Finnegan was overlooked until the seventh round at cornerback at Samford because he was playing free safety the whole time.

So when examining your steal, see if he can play anywhere else on the field. Or just assume he can and you’ll be much happier. Take Michael Robinson, the former Penn State quarterback who didn’t entertain the idea of playing anywhere but running back in the pros. Still, most switcheroo candidates will take people by surprise. Perhaps a player like LSU’s average quarterback, Jordan Jefferson, who at 6 feet 3 ran a decent 4.6-second 40-yard dash and could be a receiving threat with the right development. Or maybe just a bad quarterback.

THE BAD-SCHEME SLEEPER

There are all sorts of stories about run-first high school offenses keeping future star QBs a secret – Brett Favre and Ben Roethlisberger are the most notable. But it’s rarer in college, where players often go to fit a specific scheme. Still, sometimes a player gets the wrong coach and looks undervalued. One example this year is Dontari Poe, the hulking defensive lineman who raced up draft boards after being ignored during a career at the college-football backwater of Memphis. He had just eight tackles-for-loss last season. On Thursday night, after the Kansas City Chiefs took him 11th overall, Chiefs G.M. Scott Pioli noted that in 49% of his plays, the design of the defensive scheme made it literally impossible for him to record any sort of statistic.

But as we go on in the draft, these players will pop up more and more. In a stunning first-round coincidence, Ryan Tannehill could be considered one of these sleepers, since he was burdened with Texas A&M coach Mike Sherman’s molasses poorly-designed offense. Of course, Tannehill was drafted by the Dolphins last night, where he’ll get a new start with a new … whoops, nevermind, Sherman is the offensive coordinator there after getting fired from his Aggies job.

THE WRONG-SPORT SLEEPER

From Bo Jackson to Brian Jordan, it’s hard to know where to draft a multi-sport athlete, but one thing is clear: They are normally drafted lower than they should be. Last year, the league saw former Miami hoops player Jimmy Graham destroy secondaries. This after another former basketball-star-turned-tight-end, Antonio Gates, has haunted defensive backs for years. The Cowboys used to have a suite at the Final Four for assistants to interview basketball coaches to see which of their players might make the leap. It’s hard to get a read on a player who doesn’t devote himself full time to one sport. (And it doesn’t always work out. For more information, please read up on Drew Henson.)

Whatever the case, this year brings Russell Wilson, the Wisconsin quarterback who was second in the country with 10.3 yards per attempts on his passes. That’s not the only thing to recommend him. He also has a minor-league baseball career that’s taken up most of his summers, so much so that it got him run out of N.C. State’s program. Maybe a team can take a flier on him and he’ll produce if he focuses on football. At the very least, you’re looking at an upgrade on the company softball team.

THE NOT-HIS-FAULT SLEEPER

I’m telling anyone who will listen that Tommy Streeter, Miami’s 6-foot-5 wide receiver, is my big sleeper this year. Streeter is fast, can catch and played for some awful quarterbacks. LSU’s Rueben Randle, who had to deal with his own QB nightmare in Baton Rogue, is another one.

There’s Mohamed Sanu from Rutgers, who didn’t exactly get Johnny Unitas’s passes coming his way. In contrast there are players like Kendall Wright, the Baylor wide receiver who went in the first round to Tennessee and got the benefit of Robert Griffin III throwing to him. There’s always a blurry line there. After all, some great wide receivers, like Michael Irvin, had elite quarterbacks in college. But many (Jerry Rice, Terrell Owens, Isaac Bruce, Calvin Johnson) did not. So please disregard the “lack of production” disclaimer on the draft broadcast in these situations.

[O.city]

With that being the case, it seems like Poe is perfectly suited to do it.



Hope it works out.



If he can more effectively keep guys off Belcher and DJ, watch out.

[Okie_Apparition]

Good excuse to go see the 3 movie
I'm sure it's used there a sceen or two

[Fairplay]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Classic "boom or bust" pick that is a guy that could make Crennel look like a good or bad coach to end his career.

I'm pulling for the kid.

Roll the dice, the all or nothing play. We look like kings or bafoons no in betweens. I respect that.

[dj56dt58]

[QUOTE=Pawnmower;8579570]Poe-ner[/QUOTE
Only if bowe can be bowener

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by BossChief

A 2 gap nose is one of the most important positions on a 3-4 defense because if he is doing his job, it opens up the whole defense.

In our base alignment, the nose is lined up dead on the center and is responsible for both a gaps and controlling the point of attack. He is also responsible for quickly diagnosing the play because more times than not, the backers and safeties key off his movement. A good nose tells the rest of the defense where the ball is going. He is also responsible for protecting the cutbacks on b and c gap runs.

He needs to be able to shift his weight to anchor and have a good center of gravity and balance to be able to quickly diagnose run or pass...and then act on it. The guard and centers job is to wall you off to create a rushing lane...a top notch nose doesn't get moved and forces the run to go somewhere besides where it was designed to.

Thats the basic run responsibility.

As soon as he sees pass, he needs to get his hands on the center and walk him back into the quarterback while being aware of a draw. If the quarterback tries to escape up the middle, that's time to shine. Basically, collapse the pocket and force quarterbacks outside where we have 2 beasts to mop it up.

Poe has the physical tools to be very special and we have the coaches that have a proven history of developing talent.

Classic "boom or bust" pick that is a guy that could make Crennel look like a good or bad coach to end his career.

I'm pulling for the kid.

Excellent lesson !

I have always enjoyed your humble educated football opinions and takes on certain gridiron issues. You go out of the way to be patient and considerate and non-combative when explaining things to the less educated. You know your stuff and articulate it very well.

You truly are the "Ernest Hemingway" of college and NFL football analysis and should be commended

[BossChief]

It was probably down to Decastro, Brockers or Poe and I genuinely think they had Kuechly, Tannehill and Barron higher because they said something like "some guys we liked went in front of us"

I like Brockers more because I have seen him play (not many of us saw a Memphis game) and acknowledge his celiing in this system...but Poes ceiling may be much higher and Romeo knows better than ANY OF US what to look for in defensive linemen.

This pick is Romeo saying "I can develop this kid"

[BossChief]

The most important part for Poe is diagnosing the play and that will take time and is where Crennel can help him like no other coach can.

It's also possible this is another gift for this kid that we can't see because of not seeing his games. Maybe when Romeo was asking him (during interviews) why he did certain things and Poe gave the right answers, that impressed us and played a part in us drafting him at 11 instead of moving back and still drafting him.

We thought there was a good chance at losing him and seem in love with him.

I hope it works out.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by BossChief

The most important part for Poe is diagnosing the play and that will take time and is where Crennel can help him like no other coach can.

It's also possible this is another gift for this kid that we can't see because of not seeing his games. Maybe when Romeo was asking him (during interviews) why he did certain things and Poe gave the right answers, that impressed us and played a part in us drafting him at 11 instead of moving back and still drafting him.

We thought there was a good chance at losing him and seem in love with him.

I hope it works out.

And if Crennel thought at any point this kid took plays off and didn't have a motor on all 3 downs Poe is not taken and Crennel did not see this in his tape. Let's just hope he doesn't eat himself out of the league as well and he has a contract that holds him to that weight.

[KcMizzou]

Originally Posted by BossChief

A 2 gap nose is one of the most important positions on a 3-4 defense because if he is doing his job, it opens up the whole defense.

In our base alignment, the nose is lined up dead on the center and is responsible for both a gaps and controlling the point of attack. He is also responsible for quickly diagnosing the play because more times than not, the backers and safeties key off his movement. A good nose tells the rest of the defense where the ball is going. He is also responsible for protecting the cutbacks on b and c gap runs.

He needs to be able to shift his weight to anchor and have a good center of gravity and balance to be able to quickly diagnose run or pass...and then act on it. The guard and centers job is to wall you off to create a rushing lane...a top notch nose doesn't get moved and forces the run to go somewhere besides where it was designed to.

Thats the basic run responsibility.

As soon as he sees pass, he needs to get his hands on the center and walk him back into the quarterback while being aware of a draw. If the quarterback tries to escape up the middle, that's time to shine. Basically, collapse the pocket and force quarterbacks outside where we have 2 beasts to mop it up.

Poe has the physical tools to be very special and we have the coaches that have a proven history of developing talent.

Classic "boom or bust" pick that is a guy that could make Crennel look like a good or bad coach to end his career.

I'm pulling for the kid.

Great post. I think I accidentally learned something.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

Have Milkdud educate you !! His is the 'only' opinion that counts and if you doubt me on this just ask him. He will tell you so ! And I think will all know his favorite word to use on those that have different opinions

There is no opinion about what the responsibilities are for a NT in a 2 gap system, and Boss does a great job of explaining it, far better than I can.

I respect a guy that asks the question, rather than talking out of his ass about something that he is less than educated on.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by sportsshrink

Excellent lesson !

I have always enjoyed your humble educated football opinions and takes on certain gridiron issues. You go out of the way to be patient and considerate and non-combative when explaining things to the less educated. You know your stuff and articulate it very well.

You truly are the "Ernest Hemingway" of college and NFL football analysis and should be commended

slurp slurp

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by BossChief

The most important part for Poe is diagnosing the play and that will take time and is where Crennel can help him like no other coach can.

It's also possible this is another gift for this kid that we can't see because of not seeing his games. Maybe when Romeo was asking him (during interviews) why he did certain things and Poe gave the right answers, that impressed us and played a part in us drafting him at 11 instead of moving back and still drafting him.

We thought there was a good chance at losing him and seem in love with him.

I hope it works out.

It's diagnosing the play, but it's also learning basic "blocking and tackling." He has to be coached the basics like using leverage and hand technique, especially at this position where he's going to be asked to absorb a bunch of blockers and shed. If he doesn't use leverage, he'll get stood up. If his hand technique is horrible, he's never going to get off his blocks. Especially since he doesn't have long arms. It doesn't matter how strong you are if you have no leverage. Doesn't matter how good you are at diagnosing if you're unable to get off blocks to go where you need to go.

The diagnosing part is interesting and the reason why it was silly to expect Tyson Jackson to be firing on all cylinders right away. The 5-technique does a lot more of that diagnosing than a traditional 4-3 defensive end too. You have to train these players to go from an attack mentality to a little more of a read-and-react. Poe is probably going to make a lot of really bad reads early on. That's the only way he's going to really learn. I hope people are able to be patient enough to let him make those mistakes. They definitely weren't with Dorsey or Jackson.

The good news is, we have in my mind the absolute best in the game at teaching this. I'm not big on RAC as a head coach, but he's the best 2-gap d-line coach in the game. By a mile. He's done it his entire career. My guess is that Pleasant has picked up a thing or two from the old man as well.

[OctoberFart]

Regardless if Poe was as big as stud as some claim he would of excelled in any position dominating weak college OL.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by AutumnWind

Regardless if Poe was as big as stud as some claim he would of excelled in any position dominating weak college OL.

how did you enjoy your team's draft, shithead? Did you get a big boner from those third day picks?

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by AutumnWind

Regardless if Poe was as big as stud as some claim he would of excelled in any position dominating weak college OL.

Yah I guess if he were a bigger stud he would've been drafted in the top 10 right?

1st round draft pick isn't 'studly' enough for you eh?

I guess all of your picks this season are shit then?