If you were picking guys in the draft... - Page 2

Saccopoo · 04-29-2012, 05:53 AM

How would your draft have looked if you were Chiefs GM with the guys available when the Chiefs selected?

1. Michael Brockers, DT; LSU
2. Peter Konz, C; Wisconsin
3. Robert Turbin, RB; Utah State
4. Alameda Ta'amu, DT; Washington
5. Winston Guy, S; Kentucky
6. Ryan Lindley, QB; San Diego State
7. Drake Dunsmore, TE; Northwestern
7. Matt Reynolds, OT; BYU

**BossChief** · 04-29-2012, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

How would your draft have looked if you were Chiefs GM with the guys available when the Chiefs selected?

1. Michael Brockers, DT; LSU
2. Peter Konz, C; Wisconsin
3. Robert Turbin, RB; Utah State
4. Alameda Ta'amu, DT; Washington
5. Winston Guy, S; Kentucky
6. Ryan Lindley, QB; San Diego State
7. Drake Dunsmore, TE; Northwestern
7. Matt Reynolds, OT; BYU

You are so full of shit.

Reynolds would have been your third rounder.

(other than that, most of those are guys I liked at those spots, too. Chapman over Alameda, though.)

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-29-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

So, what you're saying is you're ok with Bowe leaving.

Cool

I wasn't OK with them letting Carr walk over $3M a year, why would I be OK with letting Bowe walk?

I am, however, OK with taking the best player available.

And considering the theme of PioliDraft2012 was "depth", Floyd is a helluva selection, considering we have no idea what's going to happen to Bowe, or if Baldwin is going to be an elite player.

**RealSNR** · 04-29-2012, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I wasn't OK with them letting Carr walk over $3M a year, why would I be OK with letting Bowe walk?

I am, however, OK with taking the best player available.

And considering the theme of PioliDraft2012 was "depth", Floyd is a helluva selection, considering we have no idea what's going to happen to Bowe, or if Baldwin is going to be an elite player.

Baldwin isn't Jerell Powe or Ricky Stanzi. It's a dumb idea to bank the future of the franchise on two guys who didn't even see the field their rookie seasons, even though they were some of the 2011 draft's best value selections for all teams. Clearly they both deserve chances to be the fantastic players some think they are, but in no way should we wait for them to progress.

In Baldwin's case, he was a highly touted first rounder who had flashed some after he came back from his injury. Then Palko happened and everybody (including Bowe) sucked balls.

I really don't think Floyd was necessarily BPA at 11, and even if he was I don't think he was BPA for this team. There's a difference between taking the best player available regardless of team need and taking best player available when you're already three deep at the position, especially at a position like WR that depends largely on the quality of QB you have on the team. This isn't like taking a 4th CB in case Routt is a turd (we haven't spent anything larger than a 2nd rounder on a CB since the Flowers pick in 2008).

**OnTheWarpath15** · 04-29-2012, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Baldwin isn't Jerell Powe or Ricky Stanzi. It's a dumb idea to bank the future of the franchise on two guys who didn't even see the field their rookie seasons, even though they were some of the 2011 draft's best value selections for all teams. Clearly they both deserve chances to be the fantastic players some think they are, but in no way should we wait for them to progress.

In Baldwin's case, he was a highly touted first rounder who had flashed some after he came back from his injury. Then Palko happened and everybody (including Bowe) sucked balls.

I really don't think Floyd was necessarily BPA at 11, and even if he was I don't think he was BPA for this team. There's a difference between taking the best player available regardless of team need and taking best player available when you're already three deep at the position, especially at a position like WR that depends largely on the quality of QB you have on the team. This isn't like taking a 4th CB in case Routt is a turd (we haven't spent anything larger than a 2nd rounder on a CB since the Flowers pick in 2008).

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

You can't applaud Pioli for drafting depth, then criticize taking an elite WR instead of a project NT.

You can't applaud Pioli for looking to the future, then make an ignorant claim that we're "three deep" at WR - when the only star we have at the position is likely going to be let go, our 1st round draft pick from last year hasn't shown anything, and our WR3 has a history of knee problems.

Hell, we drafted a WR for depth in the 4th round. We drafted another in the 7th. We've signed one as an UDFA.

That's OK, but taking an elite player at 11 isn't?

**RealSNR** · 04-29-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Can't have your cake and eat it too.

You can't applaud Pioli for drafting depth, then criticize taking an elite WR instead of a project NT.

You can't applaud Pioli for looking to the future, then make an ignorant claim that we're "three deep" at WR - when the only star we have at the position is likely going to be let go, our 1st round draft pick from last year hasn't shown anything, and our WR3 has a history of knee problems.

Hell, we drafted a WR for depth in the 4th round. We drafted another in the 7th. We've signed one as an UDFA.

That's OK, but taking an elite player at 11 isn't?

I never did applaud Pioli for drafting depth. At least I never used those words. It's pretty damn obvious that there weren't many positions we could draft where the rookie would be the immediate starter. That's the thing about being a complete team. You don't draft depth, you draft starters in waiting.

I think you'd agree that it's one thing to draft WRs out the wazoo when you don't have a real QB versus drafting CBs, offensive linemen, passrushers... hell, even QBs out the wazoo.

BPA isn't always the best strategy.

Hoover · 04-29-2012, 05:23 PM

I'll give it a whirl.

1. Dontari Poe

Reason: I'm looking for the final piece of an already solid defense. Yes he is a little bit of a project, but you can't teach size and athletic ability. Perfect for this defense if he works out.

2. Jeff Allen

Reason: He fits the Chiefs mold as a lineman. I would have liked Cordy Glenn, but Allen is similar.

3. Lamar Smith

Reason: I'm worried about Charles, and I think Smith is best suited to fill his role in this offense.

4. Philip Blake

Reason: With Allen providing tackle/guard depth, I need a true interior lineman to place center, which would allow Hudson to swing to guard when needed.

5. DeQuan Menzie

Reason: Menzie should be able to contribute in dime and nickel packages. I like the fact that he's a tweener.

6. Marvin McNutt

Reason: Even though we have Bowe and Baldwin, we need depth on the outside more so than in the slot. I don't like McCluster, but he will do.

7. David Molk

Reason: Quality depth

8. Vontaze Burfic

Reason: Why not

Saccopoo · 04-29-2012, 05:52 PM

I'm amending my choices after further contemplation:

1. David DeCastro, OG; Stanford
- The Chiefs selected Jeff Allen in the second round to play left guard as they obviously intend to have Rod Hudson man the pivot. If they were planning on taking a guard that high, why not just take the best guard in the draft by a long measure here at the #11 spot?

2. Alshon Jeffery, WR; South Carolina
- The Chiefs took two wide receivers in this draft. Obviously they want to develop better depth at this position. Jeffery can be utterly dominant and is in the same mold as Bowe and Baldwin.

3. Robert Turbin, RB; Utah State
- A bigger version of Cyrus Grey with better break away speed and the ability to go in-between the tackles with more authority.

4. Alameda Ta'amu, DT; Washington
- They obviously wanted more depth at the nose position. Ta'amu is a massive player adept at two gapping the offensive line.

5. Winston Guy, S; Kentucky
- Versatile player that is very effective in run support. Played CB, S, OLB and ILB for the Wildcats and was solid at all of them. Faster than Menzie.

6. Billy Winn, DT; Boise State
- Shocked that Winn was still on the board in the sixth. Destroyed people all year and has the size and strength to effectively play the five tech in a 34. Drafted a five tech guy in Jerome Long in round 7 - why not take a guy who was thought to be a potential Day 2 pick here in the sixth?

7. Nate Potter, OT; Boise State
- A developmental tackle with very good skills and excellent feet. Has as much potential as Stephenson who they took in the third.

7. Trevin Wade, CB; Arizona
- Fluid and instinctive and has excellent coverage skills. Like many Arizona players his play dropped off in 2011 after being one of the top CB prospects in 2010/2009.

**BigMeatballDave** · 04-29-2012, 06:30 PM

I would have taken a flyer on Case Keenum with a 7th.

Mecca · 04-29-2012, 07:09 PM

I would have taken Lamar Miller instead of Stephenson I'll say that but let's be frankly honest if you hate the Poe pick I don't know how Brockers is any better other than he likely wouldn't even play this year.

ChiefsCountry · 04-29-2012, 07:47 PM

Here is my draft:

1. Dont'a Hightower, LB, Alabama
2. Devon Still, DE, Penn State
3. Ben Jones, C, Georgia
4. Josh Chapman, NT, Alabama
5. Cyrus Gray, RB, Texas A&M
6. James Hanna, TE, Oklahoma
7. Andrew Datko, OT, Florida State
7. Aaron Henry, S, Wisconsin

Mr. Laz · 04-29-2012, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Floyd - WR
Konz - C
Turbin - RB
Chapman - NT
Menzie - S
B. Washington - G
Dennard - DB
Datko - T

+1

although i would of liked to think i could of traded down and created a new situation instead.

BigChiefFan · 04-29-2012, 10:17 PM

Looking back at the draft, Pioli did an excellent job. There weren't alot of pass-rushing 3-4 OLBers in the draft or guards that fit our offense, so he played the cards he was dealt. He got one of the top guards, the best NT prospect and a quality OT prospect. Added some special teamers, who have a chance to make the team, got us a HB, who should make the team and added some competition at WR .

Chiefnj2 · 04-30-2012, 07:34 AM

1. Cox or Kirkpatrick
2. Konz or Adams
3. Ta'amu or Chapman (I don't think people are being honest taking these guys in the 4th. Admit it you would have jumped on them in the 2nd or 3rd).
4. Massie
5. Illoka or Martin
6. B. Washington
7 - I don't care, probably take a chance on Burfict.

Direckshun · 04-30-2012, 07:49 AM

I think the Chiefs draft is better than every draft in this thread. Easily. And I'm lukewarm on this draft.

If I were drafting for the Chiefs, I wouldn't have sat out the most trade-busy draft in NFL history. I would have moved up for some players I love (instead of getting jumped ourselves constantly), or I would have traded down and accumulated more help.

Instead, we sat still while the world buzzed by us. Like Amish in the world of Interstates and technology.

Fittingly, we ended up with a decent-enough draft, but it was the most non-flashy, non-memorable draft by any team in the draft this side of the Oakland Raiders. And they had like three picks.

Chiefnj2 · 04-30-2012, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

I think the Chiefs draft is better than every draft in this thread. Easily. And I'm lukewarm on this draft.

If I were drafting for the Chiefs, I wouldn't have sat out the most trade-busy draft in NFL history. I would have moved up for some players I love (instead of getting jumped ourselves constantly), or I would have traded down and accumulated more help.

Instead, we sat still while the world buzzed by us. Like Amish in the world of Interstates and technology.

Fittingly, we ended up with a decent-enough draft, but it was the most non-flashy, non-memorable draft by any team in the draft this side of the Oakland Raiders. And they had like three picks.

Out of your 218 mock drafts did you come close to getting KC's draft right?

04-29-2012, 05:53 AM
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	If you were picking guys in the draft... How would your draft have looked if you were Chiefs GM with the guys available when the Chiefs selected? 1. Michael Brockers, DT; LSU 2. Peter Konz, C; Wisconsin 3. Robert Turbin, RB; Utah State 4. Alameda Ta'amu, DT; Washington 5. Winston Guy, S; Kentucky 6. Ryan Lindley, QB; San Diego State 7. Drake Dunsmore, TE; Northwestern 7. Matt Reynolds, OT; BYU
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04-29-2012, 05:23 PM	#21
Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-1941821	I'll give it a whirl. 1. Dontari Poe Reason: I'm looking for the final piece of an already solid defense. Yes he is a little bit of a project, but you can't teach size and athletic ability. Perfect for this defense if he works out. 2. Jeff Allen Reason: He fits the Chiefs mold as a lineman. I would have liked Cordy Glenn, but Allen is similar. 3. Lamar Smith Reason: I'm worried about Charles, and I think Smith is best suited to fill his role in this offense. 4. Philip Blake Reason: With Allen providing tackle/guard depth, I need a true interior lineman to place center, which would allow Hudson to swing to guard when needed. 5. DeQuan Menzie Reason: Menzie should be able to contribute in dime and nickel packages. I like the fact that he's a tweener. 6. Marvin McNutt Reason: Even though we have Bowe and Baldwin, we need depth on the outside more so than in the slot. I don't like McCluster, but he will do. 7. David Molk Reason: Quality depth 8. Vontaze Burfic Reason: Why not
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04-29-2012, 05:52 PM	#22
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	I'm amending my choices after further contemplation: 1. David DeCastro, OG; Stanford - The Chiefs selected Jeff Allen in the second round to play left guard as they obviously intend to have Rod Hudson man the pivot. If they were planning on taking a guard that high, why not just take the best guard in the draft by a long measure here at the #11 spot? 2. Alshon Jeffery, WR; South Carolina - The Chiefs took two wide receivers in this draft. Obviously they want to develop better depth at this position. Jeffery can be utterly dominant and is in the same mold as Bowe and Baldwin. 3. Robert Turbin, RB; Utah State - A bigger version of Cyrus Grey with better break away speed and the ability to go in-between the tackles with more authority. 4. Alameda Ta'amu, DT; Washington - They obviously wanted more depth at the nose position. Ta'amu is a massive player adept at two gapping the offensive line. 5. Winston Guy, S; Kentucky - Versatile player that is very effective in run support. Played CB, S, OLB and ILB for the Wildcats and was solid at all of them. Faster than Menzie. 6. Billy Winn, DT; Boise State - Shocked that Winn was still on the board in the sixth. Destroyed people all year and has the size and strength to effectively play the five tech in a 34. Drafted a five tech guy in Jerome Long in round 7 - why not take a guy who was thought to be a potential Day 2 pick here in the sixth? 7. Nate Potter, OT; Boise State - A developmental tackle with very good skills and excellent feet. Has as much potential as Stephenson who they took in the third. 7. Trevin Wade, CB; Arizona - Fluid and instinctive and has excellent coverage skills. Like many Arizona players his play dropped off in 2011 after being one of the top CB prospects in 2010/2009. Last edited by Saccopoo; 04-29-2012 at 08:53 PM..
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-492950	I would have taken Lamar Miller instead of Stephenson I'll say that but let's be frankly honest if you hate the Poe pick I don't know how Brockers is any better other than he likely wouldn't even play this year.
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04-30-2012, 07:49 AM	#29
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2123447	I think the Chiefs draft is better than every draft in this thread. Easily. And I'm lukewarm on this draft. If I were drafting for the Chiefs, I wouldn't have sat out the most trade-busy draft in NFL history. I would have moved up for some players I love (instead of getting jumped ourselves constantly), or I would have traded down and accumulated more help. Instead, we sat still while the world buzzed by us. Like Amish in the world of Interstates and technology. Fittingly, we ended up with a decent-enough draft, but it was the most non-flashy, non-memorable draft by any team in the draft this side of the Oakland Raiders. And they had like three picks.
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