Chiefs Quinn QBotF

aturnis · 05-27-2012, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

i've never been a huge Orton fan, i liked him because he made defenses respect the passing game when he played tho.

when Cassel plays they only have to cover 10-15 yards of the field.

What good is that if you don't score any points?

BoneKrusher · 05-27-2012, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

What good is that if you don't score any points?

like the Cassel led Chiefs light up the scoreboard.

-King- · 05-27-2012, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

like the Cassel led Chiefs light up the scoreboard.

They at least score when they get to the Redzone. With Orton, I EXPECTED a FG.

BoneKrusher · 05-27-2012, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

They at least score when they get to the Redzone. With Orton, I EXPECTED a FG.

then we should be ranked higher in redzone offense when Matt plays...

hmmm, last time i checked we were near the bottom of the league.

**BigMeatballDave** · 05-27-2012, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

What good is that if you don't score any points?

Obviously, thats a problem. However, Orton did throw for 300 yrds twice in 3 games.

How many times did Cassel do that?

I'm not crazy about Orton, either. But there is no question he is better than Cassel.

WhiteWhale · 05-27-2012, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

What good is that if you don't score any points?

A running game featuring Charles and Hillis may help the RZ game more than the backfield of Jones and Battle.

For some silly reason I think that would have an impact.

Orton still sucks in the RZ though, but I don't doubt at all he was better than Cassel. Not good enough, but better.

Cassel is an awful 3rd down QB... and that's just crippling to an offense.

aturnis · 05-28-2012, 01:06 AM

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Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

A running game featuring Charles and Hillis may help the RZ game more than the backfield of Jones and Battle.

For some silly reason I think that would have an impact.

Orton still sucks in the RZ though, but I don't doubt at all he was better than Cassel. Not good enough, but better.

Cassel is an awful 3rd down QB... and that's just crippling to an offense.

Actually, Cassel was better than Orton on third down last year...

BoneKrusher · 05-28-2012, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Actually, Cassel was better than Orton on third down last year...

Thats Scary because Cassel sucks period but he sucks bigtime on third down.

-King- · 05-28-2012, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

Thats Scary because Cassel sucks period but he sucks bigtime on third down.

Cassel teams have been better than Orton's on 3rd down in 3 out of the past 4 years. Orton led teams have been ranked higher than 20th in 3rd down % only ONCE in his career.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/downs

BoneKrusher · 05-28-2012, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Cassel teams have been better than Orton's on 3rd down in 3 out of the past 4 years. Orton led teams have been ranked higher than 20th in 3rd down % only ONCE in his career.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/downs

i didnt follow Orton till he landed in KC.
i hate to think of someone being worse than Cassel on third downs.

Coogs · 05-28-2012, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

i didnt follow Orton till he landed in KC.
i hate to think of someone being worse than Cassel on third downs.

Same here. And all I know is this. When Orton started playing, our whole team got better. That is what good QB's are supposed to be able to do for a team.

Now this is not about Orton anymore... he is gone. This is about Cassel, Quinn, and Stanzi. And further, can either Quinn or Stanzi do for this offense what Orton did... and maybe even offer up a little bit more.

aturnis · 05-28-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

i didnt follow Orton till he landed in KC.
i hate to think of someone being worse than Cassel on third downs.

Yet you argue for him as though you have a clue? You seriously know nothing of Orton. Your ABC homerism is out of control, you need help. Seriously, you can pick another horse, I recommend Stanzi, he'll make you look smart later. Give up on Orton, it's reeruned.

Chief3188 · 05-28-2012, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Cassel teams have been better than Orton's on 3rd down in 3 out of the past 4 years. Orton led teams have been ranked higher than 20th in 3rd down % only ONCE in his career.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/downs

Nice comparison. I bet one of those 3 years was 2008 when Cassel was able to take over the best offense in NFL history one offseason removed and playing an easy schedule.

I am also willing to bet another one of those 3 years was 2010 when Cassel was blessed with the number 1 ranked rushing game ( And still only managed to provide us with the 3rd worst ranked passing offense despite all the teams stacking the box against the rush ), a decent defense and of course the magic ingredient to any appearance of Cassel standing over another QB in the easy schedule.

That stat is really just too broad to be thrown around. What were the surrounding casts of each player in that year? How many of the 3rd down conversions were by run or pass? How many 3rd down attempts were there ( Is Orton possibly doing more on 1st and 2nd down to help prevent his team even reaching 3rd downs? ), what defenses were these 3rd down attempts against?