Chiefs Quinn QBotF

BoneKrusher · 05-28-2012, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

Actually, Cassel was better than Orton on third down last year...

Thats Scary because Cassel sucks period but he sucks bigtime on third down.

-King- · 05-28-2012, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

Thats Scary because Cassel sucks period but he sucks bigtime on third down.

Cassel teams have been better than Orton's on 3rd down in 3 out of the past 4 years. Orton led teams have been ranked higher than 20th in 3rd down % only ONCE in his career.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/downs

BoneKrusher · 05-28-2012, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by -King-

Cassel teams have been better than Orton's on 3rd down in 3 out of the past 4 years. Orton led teams have been ranked higher than 20th in 3rd down % only ONCE in his career.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/downs

i didnt follow Orton till he landed in KC.
i hate to think of someone being worse than Cassel on third downs.

Coogs · 05-28-2012, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

i didnt follow Orton till he landed in KC.
i hate to think of someone being worse than Cassel on third downs.

Same here. And all I know is this. When Orton started playing, our whole team got better. That is what good QB's are supposed to be able to do for a team.

Now this is not about Orton anymore... he is gone. This is about Cassel, Quinn, and Stanzi. And further, can either Quinn or Stanzi do for this offense what Orton did... and maybe even offer up a little bit more.

BoneKrusher · 05-28-2012, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Same here. And all I know is this. When Orton started playing, our whole team got better. That is what good QB's are supposed to be able to do for a team.

Now this is not about Orton anymore... he is gone. This is about Cassel, Quinn, and Stanzi. And further, can either Quinn or Stanzi do for this offense what Orton did... and maybe even offer up a little bit more.

i agree, on all of it.
that's all i've been trying to say.

Coogs · 05-28-2012, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

i agree, on all of it.
that's all i've been trying to say.

I know, and I am with you!

Messier · 05-28-2012, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Same here. And all I know is this. When Orton started playing, our whole team got better. That is what good QB's are supposed to be able to do for a team.

Now this is not about Orton anymore... he is gone. This is about Cassel, Quinn, and Stanzi. And further, can either Quinn or Stanzi do for this offense what Orton did... and maybe even offer up a little bit more.

I think the better play had more to do with the team playing up for Crennel. Orton didn't do anything in the three games he started other than show he's much better than Palko, so is Cassel. Orton and Cassel are interchangeable.

aturnis · 05-28-2012, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Messier

I think the better play had more to do with the team playing up for Crennel. Orton didn't do anything in the three games he started other than show he's much better than Palko, so is Cassel. Orton and Cassel are interchangeable.

THIS!

aturnis · 05-28-2012, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Same here. And all I know is this. When Orton started playing, our whole team got better. That is what good QB's are supposed to be able to do for a team.

Now this is not about Orton anymore... he is gone. This is about Cassel, Quinn, and Stanzi. And further, can either Quinn or Stanzi do for this offense what Orton did... and maybe even offer up a little bit more.

WOW! You too! I really hate seeing posters I respect in this light... You argued for a guy you know nothing of?

The team got better when Romeo Crennel took over, not when Orton took over, get it right.

-King- · 05-28-2012, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

WOW! You too! I really hate seeing posters I respect in this light... You argued for a guy you know nothing of?

The team got better when Romeo Crennel took over, not when Orton took over, get it right.

Pretty much. This ABC thing is the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

Coogs · 05-28-2012, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

WOW! You too! I really hate seeing posters I respect in this light... You argued for a guy you know nothing of?

The team got better when Romeo Crennel took over, not when Orton took over, get it right.

Here is the deal. I had watched Orton a few times, but not enough to have a great opinion on him. When we signed him... I wasn't jumping for joy. And I did not expect much when he got the chance to start. Better than Palko? Yes. I did expect that much.

But even though I did not expect much, I was stunned at the things he could do that Cassel could not do.

Now you can defend your boy Cassel all you want. That is fine. I'm ready to move on. And I do not care if it is Quinn or Stanzi... and those are our only two options.

Don't care if it is Quinn. Don't care if it Stanzi. I just know I have seen enough of Cassel.

Can we win games with Cassel? Sure. But only if the running game is carrying him. I have posted the 3-16 stats many times these past few months. They are what they are. Only way we win with Cassel is running game first. Not that that is a bad plan... I just want another option if Plan A is not working. Plan B is 3-16, and that is not good enough for me.

Can Quinn or Stanzi improve upon that? I have no ****ing clue. Nor do you. But I for one am ready to find out.

BoneKrusher · 05-28-2012, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Can Quinn or Stanzi improve upon that? I have no ****ing clue. Nor do you. But I for one am ready to find out.

make that two of us.

aturnis · 05-28-2012, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Here is the deal. I had watched Orton a few times, but not enough to have a great opinion on him. When we signed him... I wasn't jumping for joy. And I did not expect much when he got the chance to start. Better than Palko? Yes. I did expect that much.

But even though I did not expect much, I was stunned at the things he could do that Cassel could not do.

Now you can defend your boy Cassel all you want. That is fine. I'm ready to move on. And I do not care if it is Quinn or Stanzi... and those are our only two options.

Don't care if it is Quinn. Don't care if it Stanzi. I just know I have seen enough of Cassel.

Can we win games with Cassel? Sure. But only if the running game is carrying him. I have posted the 3-16 stats many times these past few months. They are what they are. Only way we win with Cassel is running game first. Not that that is a bad plan... I just want another option if Plan A is not working. Plan B is 3-16, and that is not good enough for me.

Can Quinn or Stanzi improve upon that? I have no ****ing clue. Nor do you. But I for one am ready to find out.

Again. You act as though I am defending Cassel. I'm not. I'm pointing out that Orton is the same guy, + a deepball, and - 3rd down and redzone efficiency...

You're right, Orton could do things Cassel couldn't, throw the ball over 30 yds. Fact is, Cassel could punch the ball into the endzone and convert 3rd downs better. Which is better?

Orton is no better than the status quo, actually, worse. It'd take longer to rid the team of Orton than it will Cassel.

Chief3188 · 05-28-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by aturnis

WOW! You too! I really hate seeing posters I respect in this light... You argued for a guy you know nothing of?

The team got better when Romeo Crennel took over, not when Orton took over, get it right.

The passing game got better when Orton took over. Or did Crennel and his defensive genius somehow get credited for that too in support of your argument? With how our rushing game was in shambles due to Charles injury, Jones age, Mccluster being forced to play more touches than he was built for we needed our passing game to step up. It sure didn't with Cassel.

Yes Orton had his mistakes but the guy was playing with an all new team and coming off an injury at the tail end of a season that featured 2 playoff teams and 1 8-8 team. The fact is he was able to make proper changes at the line ( Something I had to laugh at because even Palko was better at reading plays at the line than Cassel, not much of anything else but he was better than Cassel at that ), and was able to get our offense to actually sustain more drives per game than we had with Cassel all year. I guarantee if you gave Orton a full season with this offense it would come out looking better than Cassel any day of the week. Would it be good enough? Probably not but I would bet my bottom dollar that this team had a chance to go farther with Orton than it did with Cassel.

I get it that Orton is gone and I am over it but the facts remain the same. Chad Henne, Jason Campbell, and Matt Flynn would have better promise than the loser.

aturnis · 05-28-2012, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

i didnt follow Orton till he landed in KC.
i hate to think of someone being worse than Cassel on third downs.

Yet you argue for him as though you have a clue? You seriously know nothing of Orton. Your ABC homerism is out of control, you need help. Seriously, you can pick another horse, I recommend Stanzi, he'll make you look smart later. Give up on Orton, it's reeruned.