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Old 05-29-2012, 12:43 PM  
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Where does the Chiefs RB situation rank in 2012?
Take some time this offseason to evaluate where the Chiefs are at each positional grouping.

Today, RBs.

The rule is, you gotta rank just the RB talent, but keep in mind injuries, problems with the law, and contract situations and whatever.

Patriots: Addai, Ridley, Vereen, Woodhead
Jets: Greene, Ganaway, McKnight, Bilal Powell
Dolphins: Bush, Thomas, Slaton, Lamar Miller
Bills: Jackson, Spiller, Choice

Steelers: Mendenhall, Redman, Dwyer, John Clay, Chris Rainey
Ravens: Rice, Bernard Pierce
Browns: Richardson, Hardesty, Ogbonnaya
Bengals: Green-Ellis, Leonard, Bernard Scott

Texans: Foster, Tate, basically nobody else
Colts: Delone Carter, Ballard, Donald Brown
Jaguars: Jones-Drew, Jennings
Titans: Johnson, Javon Ringer, Jamie Harper

Raiders: McFadden, Taiwan Jones, Owen Schmitt
Chargers: Mathews, Curtis Brinkley
Broncos: McGahee, Moreno, Hillman, Ball, Fannin
Chiefs: Charles, Hillis, Gray, McCluster

Cowboys: Murray, Felix Jones
Giants: Bradshaw, David Wilson, Da'Rel Scott
Redskins: Helu, Hightower, Royster
Eagles: McCoy, Chris Polk, Dion Lewis

Packers: Starks, Alex Green, Marc Tyler
Lions: Best, Leshoure, Kevin Smith, Harrison
Vikings: Peterson, Gerhart, Jordan Todman
Bears: Forte, Bush, Kahlil Bell

Panthers: Williams, Stewart, Tolbert, Tauren Poole
Falcons: Turner, Snelling, Rodgers
Saints: Thomas, Ingram, Sproles, Ivory
Buccaneers: Martin, Blount, Robert Hughes

Rams: Jackson, Pead, Brit Miller
Seahawks: Lynch, Turbin, Leon Washington
49ers: Gore, Jacobs, Hunter, LaMichael James, Dixon
Cardinals: Wells, Ryan Williams, Stephens-Howling
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Old 05-29-2012, 01:51 PM   #46
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Huge if. We are talking about the NFL, are we not? Rb's get hurt all the time, just ask JC.
Jamaal Charles doesn't get injured "all the time" you ****ing idiot
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Old 05-29-2012, 01:51 PM   #47
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Old 05-29-2012, 01:56 PM   #48
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Angry much?
Not really ! It's been a bad week , a tornado took the top off one of my farrowing barns Saturday night, a stupid ****ing truck driver broke the hydraulic arm on my security gate that has a huge ****ing stop sign that reads "STOP, AUTHORIZED PERSONELL ONLY" as he tried to enter the premises and boar #743 died today! Bitch!
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Old 05-29-2012, 01:59 PM   #49
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:04 PM   #50
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Not really ! It's been a bad week , a tornado took the top off one of my farrowing barns Saturday night, a stupid ****ing truck driver broke the hydraulic arm on my security gate that has a huge ****ing stop sign that reads "STOP, AUTHORIZED PERSONELL ONLY" as he tried to enter the premises and boar #743 died today! Bitch!


Not laughing at your misfortunes (sorry to hear all that, btw), but your post was pretty funny. It's all good. Hope everything gets better.
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Old 05-29-2012, 02:08 PM   #51
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Jamaal Charles doesn't get injured "all the time" you ****ing idiot
I didn't say he did. I said running backs, collectively, get injured all the time. JC is an example of a running back getting hurt (for a season, I might add). Sorry that was unclear to you.
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Jonathan Stewart is underrated it's funny.
He doesnt get many carries for some reason.
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I'd still rather have all those RBs I listed over Gore.

In the game of football, only one guy can carry the football at a time. If both Charles and Gore touch the ball 250 times in a season, the only thing that matters when comparing them is the talent. If Charles is the better back, then a huge chunk of each RB stable's total touches becomes affected.

Charles and Hillis are going to account for 90%+ of the Chiefs touches by RBs. I'd rather have those two guys toting the ball for me than a mixture of Gore, James, Hunter, and Jacobs.

Again, this is based on what we know now. If James or Hunter explode into elite RBs this season, then we're talking a completely different story. But from what we know from years past, Charles and Hillis as a combo are better than those four guys based solely on the distribution between the backs.
Jacobs will only be in on short-yardage situations. The majority of the carries will go to Gore/Hunter, with James being the change of pace guy. Hunter isn't elite, but he's not much of a drop-off from Gore (and we've already established he's pretty damn good).

Hillis is not a sure thing btw. Your post implies that he is. He's had one good year, and he was far from elite last year. I really hope he returns to 2010 form, but that's not a guarantee. Is Charles better than Gore? Yes. But the ability and versatility of Hunter/James is exponentially better than just having Hillis as your 2.
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Jacobs will only be in on short-yardage situations. The majority of the carries will go to Gore/Hunter, with James being the change of pace guy. Hunter isn't elite, but he's not much of a drop-off from Gore (and we've already established he's pretty damn good).

Hillis is not a sure thing btw. Your post implies that he is. He's had one good year, and he was far from elite last year. I really hope he returns to 2010 form, but that's not a guarantee. Is Charles better than Gore? Yes. But the ability and versatility of Hunter/James is exponentially better than just having Hillis as your 2.
I was actually pretty pissed that we were courting both Hillis and Tolbert this offseason and went this Hillis over Tolbert. I don't think Hillis is great at all, but I realized that for what we need him, he'll do a pretty damn good job. We're not going to ask him to be the offense. We're not even going to ask him to be our entire backfield. If he even plays at 80% of his 2010 level, he will be EXCELLENT in the Thomas Jones role. Everything else he can do is just icing.

So Hunter is far from elite but he's not much of a dropoff from Gore? Then you just made my point. Gore is not elite. Charles IS elite. The 49ers would have an advantage if either team sustained injury to their starters. But if we do that, now we're not just bringing injury into the equation, we're making it an entire side of the equation. We're saying, "There is a case where the 49ers have better RBs, and that's if there's an injury to both teams' starters. So let's make that a preliminary assumption when comparing these teams."
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Also, I'm not even sure if Jacobs has a purpose as a short-yardage guy. His power is gone. It's just ****ing gone. There's nothing left. In my opinion, unless a team's short-yardage guy has the leg-churning tackler-carrying ability of Mike Tolbert or Zack Crockett a few years ago, you may as well go with your best RB in goal line situations.

Think back to the 2001-2005 Chiefs. Tony Richardson was far from washed up, but he still wasn't all that much of a short yardage back. We just went with the hot hand on those carries-- little ol' Priest himself. Worked out pretty damn well.
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I was actually pretty pissed that we were courting both Hillis and Tolbert this offseason and went this Hillis over Tolbert. I don't think Hillis is great at all, but I realized that for what we need him, he'll do a pretty damn good job. We're not going to ask him to be the offense. We're not even going to ask him to be our entire backfield. If he even plays at 80% of his 2010 level, he will be EXCELLENT in the Thomas Jones role. Everything else he can do is just icing.

So Hunter is far from elite but he's not much of a dropoff from Gore? Then you just made my point. Gore is not elite. Charles IS elite. The 49ers would have an advantage if either team sustained injury to their starters. But if we do that, now we're not just bringing injury into the equation, we're making it an entire side of the equation. We're saying, "There is a case where the 49ers have better RBs, and that's if there's an injury to both teams' starters. So let's make that a preliminary assumption when comparing these teams."
I agree with your entire first paragraph. If the chiefs had tolbert, this would be a completely different story. But they don't, so we have to go with Hillis. And you know just as well as I do that Hillis is not a sure thing. Maybe he can be 80% of what he was, and that would be great, but he was ****ing awful last year.

I don't think Hunter is "far from" elite. He just isn't elite. But I guarantee anybody who watched the niners last year knows how special he is in a complimentary role to a workhorse back like Gore. He's a damn solid #2, and adding James to that mix is scary. If you watched him in college, you know James has JC-like potential that can be utilized in many different ways.*

I'm not a huge fan of Jacobs either, but he is an upgrade over Dixon. I think the 49er FO is just trying to see if he can provide some power, and if not, they have a really good FB in Brit Miller or Gore will take those carries.

*I'm not saying he's JC (you may take it that way judging by the way you've been reading my posts). I'm simply saying he's giving the niners a home-run threat like JC with his ceiling being like JC.

At this point, let's agree to disagree. I don't think we'll ever agree on this. I'm a Chiefs fan, and really hope our rb's are better next year, but I just can't get over the 49ers' depth.
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Amazing, considering how awful that team has been during that run.
I know.

I just want the Rams to have a winning season once, as Jackson has never been on a team that has finished better than 8-8 nor has he been to the POs since his rookie year.

Dude brings it every Sunday.

People say he misses too much time. You know what? He misses games, sure, but he has never ended a season on IR.
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