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Old 06-22-2012, 08:12 PM  
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Jerry Sandusky found GUILTY on 45 of 48 counts...
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Jerry #Sandusky has been found guilty on 45 of the 48 charges against him.

Maximum of 442 years in prison. I bet he doesn't make it 3 years.

Burn in hell...
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Old 06-26-2012, 10:38 AM   #181
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Bullcrap. I would tell them to do something before I did. You want to fire me? Just try it.
You can't say that without factoring in how powerful Paterno is. How protective the administration is about protecting secrecy. And how many Penn state fans will flood your phone and mailbox with death threats. Or factoring in that tattling on your boss is never easy to do... Period.

Again, its easy to stand on the sidelines and act like these decisions are easy.
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Old 06-26-2012, 10:44 AM   #182
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When you tell three of your bosses and they not only sit on it but actively cover it up its not exactly easy. While his bosses danced around the story, made up stories to cover their ass, he directly stated the truth even if it damaged the university. Neither of those things are easy.

He didn't do enough. But apart from going direct to the cops he did everything a reasonable person should be expected to do. You can criticize him for not going above and beyond. But the fact is that the inaction is blamed on Paterno, spanier and curley. You are asking a subordinate to go over the heads of bosses three levels higher than him.
NO HE DID NOT! He caught the sick son of a b!tch in the act and walked away from it. That falls waaaaaaaaaaaay below the actions of a reasonable person.

JFC, could you be any more stupid?
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Old 06-26-2012, 10:50 AM   #183
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Exactly...after a week my next statement...in writing.... would be that I would have to approach the national media about what I saw. This isn't going away.

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Just what I was thinking. There's a documented history, you know, for a fact, that it is still happening, but you decide to just drop it?
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You can't say that without factoring in how powerful Paterno is. How protective the administration is about protecting secrecy. And how many Penn state fans will flood your phone and mailbox with death threats. Or factoring in that tattling on your boss is never easy to do... Period.

Again, its easy to stand on the sidelines and act like these decisions are easy.
Worst case scenario, you lose your job and have to find another. What do you think the worst case scenario is for the child?
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Old 06-26-2012, 10:51 AM   #185
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Exactly...after a week my next statement...in writing.... would be that I would have to approach the national media about what I saw. This isn't going away.

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I don't think your considering how much your life will change if you tattle on a school and legendary head coach. Especially if it sinks Penn state.
Look at Steve bartman. Look at fanatics who rallied aaround joe pa. Look at fanatics who sent death threats to mcqueary for having the "audacity" to speak up.
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Old 06-26-2012, 10:53 AM   #186
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I don't think your considering how much your life will change if you tattle on a school and legendary head coach. Especially if it sinks Penn state.
Look at Steve bartman. Look at fanatics who rallied aaround joe pa. Look at fanatics who sent death threats to mcqueary for having the "audacity" to speak up.
If you had to choose, would you choose receiving death threats or living with the fact that you didn't do what you could have to stop a serial child molester?
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Old 06-26-2012, 10:54 AM   #187
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I appreciate your position and insight on this topic. In the fight, flight or freeze scenario McQueary had thrust upon him I would likely have frozen like he did. I am not proud of it, but people are wired differently I suppose. But BigRock's argument is absolutely true. If I did nothing after ten years I would expect nothing but scorn. I would hate myself as McQueary does. Ultimately, tho, I would know I deserve it.

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This idea of McQueary being scared to bring down a superior seems moot in light of his testimony.

He fully admits that he should have done more the night he saw Sandusky in the shower. He says he saw them in the shower through the reflection in a mirror, slammed his locker shut so they would hear it, and then looked in the shower and saw they had stopped. Then he left. But he feels he put a stop to it.

He told Paterno. Then he told the Penn State higher-ups, one of whom was in charge of the campus police, which McQueary says he took as having reported what he saw to the authorities.

Then... nothing. Everyone can argue about what they would have done had they walked in on something like the shower situation, but like Paterno, where McQueary really fails is after the fact. Personally, if I reported that I saw someone ****ing a kid, and that guy was still out on the street, I think that after a week... or a month... or six months... or a year... I might have followed-up on it with the people I told. Or I might have told someone else.

McQueary didn't do anything for 10 years, except apparently walk out of the room anytime Sandusky came in. The defense lawyer pressed him on why he didn't do anything more. McQueary didn't talk about being afraid. He rejected the notion that he was worried about the university firing him.

What he did say is that he loved Penn State. Even though Sandusky was still around the program, McQueary loved his job too much to leave in protest. So if you wanted to attach a specific reason to his failure to follow up, it was probably more out of his reverence for the great JoePa and the mighty Nittany Lions, not out of fear of "breaking codes" or any of that. He had his dream job and didn't want to rock the boat too much.

Then when he was asked about his departure from Penn State and his whistleblower lawsuit, he said "I didn't do anything wrong to lose that job".

Perhaps he intended his answer to apply simply to his job duties, and wasn't commenting on the larger Sandusky issue. But if you're in a position with some degree of authority at a university, you witness a sexual assault right there on school property, and you don't do everything you can to get to get it sorted out, then you've failed your station in my view. No parent is going to say "Sure, I trust Mike McQueary to do everything possible to protect my son or daughter" after this, so how would he justify his continued employment at a school of all places? Because he can read defenses?

Point being, he didn't come off like a guy who wanted to do more, but was just too scared to act.

It's a shame in some respects because it is true that McQueary did more than everyone else around Penn State. If the people in charge had done something after he told them, McQueary would be talked about like one of the heroes in this story. On the other hand, if he'd done absolutely nothing, little would have changed and McQueary wouldn't be attached to the story at all. He'd still be at Penn State with his reputation fully intact.

But it's a good lesson to learn. There are no A's for effort, no shiny gold star for being the one who tries the hardest. McQueary did something, but he didn't do enough. He surely knew he didn't do enough. Yet that knowledge didn't spur him into any further action. And who knows how many kids Sandusky went onto rape after that?
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Old 06-26-2012, 10:56 AM   #188
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If you had to choose, would you choose receiving death threats or living with the fact that you did nothing to stop a serial child molester?
He didn't do "nothing".
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When you tell three of your bosses and they not only sit on it but actively cover it up its not exactly easy. While his bosses danced around the story, made up stories to cover their ass, he directly stated the truth even if it damaged the university. Neither of those things are easy.

He didn't do enough. But apart from going direct to the cops he did everything a reasonable person should be expected to do. You can criticize him for not going above and beyond. But the fact is that the inaction is blamed on Paterno, spanier and curley. You are asking a subordinate to go over the heads of bosses three levels higher than him.
THAT IS WHAT YOU DO! GO TO THE ****ING COPS.

again he is partly responsible for every molestation incident from that point on IMO
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He didn't do "nothing".
He didn't do what he could have. I'll even go back and change my post for you.
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Old 06-26-2012, 10:59 AM   #191
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and that would not be " going above and beyond"

that would be doing what you are supposed to do. (well actually IMO he should have beat that ****er half to death when he saw it going on)
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You can't say that without factoring in how powerful Paterno is. How protective the administration is about protecting secrecy. And how many Penn state fans will flood your phone and mailbox with death threats. Or factoring in that tattling on your boss is never easy to do... Period.

Again, its easy to stand on the sidelines and act like these decisions are easy.
it should be an easy decision to call the ****ing police.

it's not a "university matter" at that point it's a call the ****ing cops right away matter.
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He didn't do "nothing".
bug bug bug...


he didnt do ANYTHING that actually helped keep little kids SAFE
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He didn't do what he could have. I'll even go back and change my post for you.
A lot of other people didn't either. I'm not going to try to whitewash the guy but I don't understand why he is the focus of so much of the anger. There was plenty of fail from all around.
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bug bug bug...


he didnt do ANYTHING that actually helped keep little kids SAFE
As many others didn't as well.
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