KK wrong about success of ASG

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

Imagine trying to tailgate downtown. I'll take the easy open parking every time.

Nobody is proposing putting the football stadium downtown. Drive out to the middle of nowhere and devote an entire day to a football game. There are only eight home games a year, so it makes sense.

People don't tailgate 81 times a year for baseball games. They aren't going to eat ballpark nachos and hotdogs for dinner three nights a week for seven months.

Driving to Raytown takes a commitment because you don't work there, you don't shop there, you don't eat there, and you don't socialize there. When you go to Raytown, it is done for the sole purpose of attending the game and leaving town afterwards.

When teams build baseball stadiums downtown, the people are already there. They can leave work, hit up a restaurant, pop into the game, and hang at bars afterwards. The game "fits".

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Nobody is proposing putting the football stadium downtown. Drive out to the middle of nowhere and devote an entire day to a football game. There are only eight home games a year, so it makes sense.

People don't tailgate 81 times a year for baseball games. They aren't going to eat ballpark nachos and hotdogs for dinner three nights a week for seven months.

Driving to Raytown takes a commitment because you don't work there, you don't shop there, you don't eat there, and you don't socialize there. When you go to Raytown, it is done for the sole purpose of attending the game and leaving town afterwards.

When teams build baseball stadiums downtown, the people are already there. They can leave work, hit up a restaurant, pop into the game, and hang at bars afterwards. The game "fits".

A winning club would bring a higher attendance and more tailgating with it. This is Kansas City, it's what we do. The issue isn't location, the issue is a reason to go.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

A winning club would bring a higher attendance and more tailgating with it. This is Kansas City, it's what we do. The issue isn't location, the issue is a reason to go.

Not 81 times a year, more than half of which are played on weeknights.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Nobody is proposing putting the football stadium downtown. Drive out to the middle of nowhere and devote an entire day to a football game. There are only eight home games a year, so it makes sense.

People don't tailgate 81 times a year for baseball games. They aren't going to eat ballpark nachos and hotdogs for dinner three nights a week for seven months.

Driving to Raytown takes a commitment because you don't work there, you don't shop there, you don't eat there, and you don't socialize there. When you go to Raytown, it is done for the sole purpose of attending the game and leaving town afterwards.

When teams build baseball stadiums downtown, the people are already there. They can leave work, hit up a restaurant, pop into the game, and hang at bars afterwards. The game "fits".

Your first couple of posts were just sarcastic remarks. This is your first post where you actually started to explain your reasoning. I see no mention of financially benefiting he community around he stadium.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

Your first couple of posts were just sarcastic remarks. This is your first post where you actually started to explain your reasoning. I see no mention of financially benefiting he community around he stadium.

They were sarcastic because the very notion of someone actually developing the area around the sports complex is absurd.

A baseball stadium is an anchor venue which hosts massive events 80 to 90 days per year. Instead of harnessing the economic potential of 2,000,000 people into an area where they might want to engage in revenue generating activities while enjoying a full entertainment experience, we point them towards the middle of nowhere where they park their cars, go directly into the stadium, immediately return to their cars after the game, and leave the area.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

They were sarcastic because the very notion of someone actually developing the area around the sports complex is absurd.

A baseball stadium is an anchor venue which hosts massive events 80 to 90 days per year. Instead of harnessing the economic potential of 2,000,000 people into an area where they might want to engage in revenue generating activities while engaging in a full entertainment experience, we point them towards the middle of nowhere where they park their cars, go directly into the stadium, immediately return to their cars after the game, and leave the area.

No, we direct people to a place where they can throw one great big party.

And if you were really concerned about spending money in the community around the ballpark, you would be all for development of that area. What better way to bring money into the community than to create jobs?

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

No, we direct people to a place where they can throw one great big party.

And if you were really concerned about spending money in the community around the ballpark, you would be all for development of that area. What better way to bring many into the community than to create jobs?

I know that when I think of Kaufman Stadium, I think of of one big party.

Why would I advocate spending tens of millions of dollars to create another entertainment district when the city just did that downtown? Nobody wants to go to that area, and nobody would if the stadiums weren't there.

If Kansas City never had a baseball or football team but were just granted an expansion team, nobody would suggest building the stadium on the Blue Ridge Cutoff.

When it was determined that a new and/or renovated stadium was needed, we should have said "it was a good run, but 40 years have passed, and the surrounding area is worse now than it was then, so it's time for a change".

This is the civil equivalent to deciding between re-upping Matt Cassel and trying to build more weapons around him and drafting a new QB.

[OnTheWarpath15]

I'm looking at an aerial view of downtown KC, and I'd love to know what city blocks you're going to demolish to make room for a baseball stadium.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm looking at an aerial view of downtown KC, and I'd love to know what city blocks you're going to demolish to make room for a baseball stadium.

That's the other issue.

I assume they'd have to nuke some crackhouse neighborhoods off to the east of downtown to make it work.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm looking at an aerial view of downtown KC, and I'd love to know what city blocks you're going to demolish to make room for a baseball stadium.

I'm pretty sure that in 10-15 years there will be exactly zero use for the big, new Kansas City Star printing building.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm looking at an aerial view of downtown KC, and I'd love to know what city blocks you're going to demolish to make room for a baseball stadium.

There were several proposals made. Barrett Sports group worked with the Downtown Development Council on a 40k seat stadium at 7th and Main.

I believe that the Kauffman foundation also offered to donate the land that has since been used for the performing arts center, but others may know more about that than me.

There were also plans to build it up against Union Station which was one of the locations proposed back before the stadium was originally built.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

They were sarcastic because the very notion of someone actually developing the area around the sports complex is absurd.

A baseball stadium is an anchor venue which hosts massive events 80 to 90 days per year. Instead of harnessing the economic potential of 2,000,000 people into an area where they might want to engage in revenue generating activities while enjoying a full entertainment experience, we point them towards the middle of nowhere where they park their cars, go directly into the stadium, immediately return to their cars after the game, and leave the area.

Seriously?

Wyandotte County created the entire Legends shopping district around the race track. The very notion that you couldn't do that around the Truman Sports Complex is what's absurd.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Brainiac

Seriously?

Wyandotte County created the entire Legends shopping district around the race track. The very notion that you couldn't do that around the Truman Sports Complex is what's absurd.

If you think that's doable, great. Maybe it is. The fact is the city dumped hundreds of millions into the renovations without any plan to do anything like that.