Royals KK wrong about success of ASG

**Saul Good** · 07-12-2012, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Of course I could but that isn't what you said. You made it sound like we were all just getting off work and could step out of the office be there. Is it really that big of a deal to go to a restaraunt and then drive to the game? But the point remains that the vast majority of people that go to a Royals game, wherever the stadium is located, get there by driving. I don't think people in KC consider driving to places to be much of an inconvenience.

I can't help but notice you have begun arguing with yourself. Earlier you were saying the stadium would get more money because if it were downtown more people would come and spend more money on food and beverages in the stadium. But now you are saying people are going to go to the bar/restaraunts before and after the game if it were primely located, thus removing a significant amount of business from the vendors in the stadium.

I said that the the team would make more money. If more people attend games, that seems pretty reasonable. The local economy would also prosper by having people spend money around the stadium rather than eating at the 810 zone, driving straight to the stadium, and driving home.

Tailgating, fun though it may be, provides little to no economic benefit to the team nor to the local economy.

mr. tegu · 07-12-2012, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

I said that the the team would make more money. If more people attend games, that seems pretty reasonable. The local economy would also prosper by having people spend money around the stadium rather than eating at the 810 zone, driving straight to the stadium, and driving home.

Tailgating, fun though it may be, provides little to no economic benefit to the team nor to the local economy.

But if people are not purchasing from inside the stadium AND they aren't paying the stadium for parking it sounds like it would result in a loss of income for the team. I am not saying that it is bad for the team to lose money or that it is bad for the local economy to gain money, just saying I don't really see an increase for the team.

**Saul Good** · 07-12-2012, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu

But if people are not purchasing from inside the stadium AND they aren't paying the stadium for parking it sounds like it would result in a loss of income for the team. I am not saying that it is bad for the team to lose money or that it is bad for the local economy to gain money, just saying I don't really see an increase for the team.

WTF? They buy tickets to the games, and they buy the same concessions that the tailgaters buy once inside.

mr. tegu · 07-12-2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

WTF? They buy tickets to the games, and they buy the same concessions that the tailgaters buy once inside.

I don't see an increase in attendance. To me it is that simple. Would some people go that otherwise wouldn't? Sure. Would some people not go that otherwise would? You bet. Do you agree or disagree?

IMO the difference results in the same attendance. A winning team will increase attendance, not a downtown stadium.

You keep saying how much people would love to hit the bars and restaraunts, which will certainly drive down purchases in the stadium. People tailgate but tailgating is a lot cheaper than going out to a bar or restaraunt before the game, therefore leaving more room for purchases on the inside.

**Saul Good** · 07-12-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu

I don't see an increase in attendance. To me it is that simple. Would some people go that otherwise wouldn't? Sure. Would some people not go that otherwise would? You bet. Do you agree or disagree?

IMO the difference results in the same attendance. A winning team will increase attendance, not a downtown stadium.

You keep saying how much people would love to hit the bars and restaraunts, which will certainly drive down purchases in the stadium. People tailgate but tailgating is a lot cheaper than going out to a bar or restaraunt before the game, therefore leaving more room for purchases on the inside.

So I buy my food from hen house in johnson county, cook it in the parking lot, money in the stadium. That helps the johnson county economy, and it helps david glass, but how does it help the community that paid hundreds of millions of dollars for the stadium?

mr. tegu · 07-12-2012, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

So I buy my food from hen house in johnson county, cook it in the parking lot, money in the stadium. That helps the johnson county economy, and it helps david glass, but how does it help the community that paid hundreds of millions of dollars for the stadium?

We are talking about whether attendance will increase and whether money for the team will increase or decrease (because earlier you said the team would make more, whereas I say not exactly), not money for the local economy. Do you agree with what I posted about attendance?

blaise · 07-12-2012, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

I said that the the team would make more money. If more people attend games, that seems pretty reasonable. The local economy would also prosper by having people spend money around the stadium rather than eating at the 810 zone, driving straight to the stadium, and driving home.

Tailgating, fun though it may be, provides little to no economic benefit to the team nor to the local economy.

I don't think having the stadium downtown really means more people will go. Winning games makes people go. When the Orioles won, people went to the games. When they didn't, they didn't. Same for Houston. Both downtown stadiums. People fill Yankee stadium and there's nothing there, not unless you think the Bronx is fun.

**Saul Good** · 07-12-2012, 02:45 PM

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I don't think having the stadium downtown really means more people will go. Winning games makes people go. When the Orioles won, people went to the games. When they didn't, they didn't. Same for Houston. Both downtown stadiums. People fill Yankee stadium and there's nothing there, not unless you think the Bronx is fun.

All things being equal, a downtown stadium improves attendance and does more for the local economy. Of course winning matters. The weather matters, too. Neither are part of this particular discussion, however.

The Cubs have the second worst record in baseball, but they are going to have 1.2 million fans walk through their turnstiles than their first-place citymates who play in the Chicago equivalent of Raytown.

Swanman · 07-12-2012, 04:01 PM

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The Cubs have the second worst record in baseball, but they are going to have 1.2 million fans walk through their turnstiles than their first-place citymates who play in the Chicago equivalent of Raytown.

Absolutely terrible comparison.

**dirk digler** · 07-12-2012, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

All things being equal, a downtown stadium improves attendance and does more for the local economy. Of course winning matters. The weather matters, too. Neither are part of this particular discussion, however.

The Cubs have the second worst record in baseball, but they are going to have 1.2 million fans walk through their turnstiles than their first-place citymates who play in the Chicago equivalent of Raytown.

Well first Wrigley Field isn't a good comparison because it is more of a tourist attraction than anything else. I imagine most people like myself who went to Chicago during baseball season have to go to Wrigley at least once.

Second I have been in a lot of the biggest cities in the country downtown and in comparison KC is a ghost town. There isn't millions of people walking around there is like 10-20. When people come to KC they mostly stay at the Plaza area or Crown Center. Those areas probably wouldn't be a bad place to build a stadium.

I do like the Sports Complex though because the ease of access getting in and out. But there really isn't any space to build things around it since it is mostly all parking and highways.

Brock · 07-12-2012, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

I do like the Sports Complex though because the ease of access getting in and out. But there really isn't any space to build things around it since it is mostly all parking and highways.

Huh? No.