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Old 07-13-2012, 03:55 PM  
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Schefter: Don't expect Bowe to sign long-term deal by Monday's deadline
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RT @mulch10: What about D Bowe? ... Do not expect a long-term deal to be done there by Monday's 4 pm ET deadline.


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Old 07-13-2012, 09:27 PM   #151
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He's not significantly better than Cassel.
You dolt.

Quarterback A - has the ability to throw the ball down the field. Can run a productive pass first-offense.

Quarterback B - lacks the ability to throw the ball down the field. Cannot, under any circumstance, run a productive pass-first offense.

Quarterback A is significantly better.

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Cassel has a higher TD%. Cassel has a lower INT%.
DOES HE?

In the last three seasons:

Cassel - 1 TD every 23 attempts.

Orton - 1 TD every 23 attempts.

Cassel - 1 INT every 38 attempts

Orton - 1 INT every 43 attempts

Looks like you're ****ing wrong, and Orton does this while taking more risks with the ball.

YOU LOSE.
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Old 07-13-2012, 09:29 PM   #152
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Also, this:

Cassel - 1 sack every 13.5 attempts

Orton - 1 sack every 17.7 attempts

CASSEL LOSES. AGAIN.
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Old 07-13-2012, 09:33 PM   #153
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Yards per attempt last 3 seasons:

Orton - 7.1

Cassel - 6.4

CASSEL LOSES. AGAIN.
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Old 07-13-2012, 09:37 PM   #154
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Completion percentage, last 3 seasons:

Orton - 60.3%

Cassel - 57.1%

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Old 07-13-2012, 09:41 PM   #155
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He's not significantly better than Cassel.
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You dolt.

Quarterback A - has the ability to throw the ball down the field. Can run a productive pass first-offense.

Quarterback B - lacks the ability to throw the ball down the field. Cannot, under any circumstance, run a productive pass-first offense.

Quarterback A is significantly better.



DOES HE?

In the last three seasons:

Cassel - 1 TD every 23 attempts.

Orton - 1 TD every 23 attempts.

Cassel - 1 INT every 38 attempts

Orton - 1 INT every 43 attempts

Looks like you're ****ing wrong, and Orton does this while taking more risks with the ball.

YOU LOSE.
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Cassel - 1 sack every 13.5 attempts

Orton - 1 sack every 17.7 attempts

CASSEL LOSES. AGAIN.
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Yards per attempt last 3 seasons:

Orton - 7.1

Cassel - 6.4

CASSEL LOSES. AGAIN.
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Completion percentage, last 3 seasons:

Orton - 60.3%

Cassel - 57.1%

CASSEL LOSES. AGAIN.
Statistically, Clay is right - he is significantly better than Cassel. Probably worth an extra win or two.

But considering the goal is to win Championships, King is right.

Orton wouldn't have given this team a significantly better chance of winning a playoff game, much less a Super Bowl.

Neither are a guy you win a championship with.
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Old 07-13-2012, 09:45 PM   #156
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Orton wouldn't have given this team a significantly better chance of winning a playoff game, much less a Super Bowl.

Neither are a guy you win a championship with.
I disagree.

With THIS TEAM, Orton could lead us to a wild-card playoff win. He'd still probably get beat against the league's top quarterbacks. If he was here for 10 years, we'd have a snowball's-chance-in-hell-Mark-Rypien-Jeff-Hostetler chance at a Super Bowl win.

With Cassel? Pain. Anguish. Dead puppies.
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I disagree.

With THIS TEAM, Orton could lead us to a wild-card playoff win. He'd still probably get beat against the league's top quarterbacks. If he was here for 10 years, we'd have a snowball's-chance-in-hell-Mark-Rypien-Jeff-Hostetler chance at a Super Bowl win.

With Cassel? Pain. Anguish. Dead puppies.
None of that is good enough.
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Orton would have made it easier to not trade up for a qb for a while
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Kyle Orton against the 2010 Ravens -

23 for 38, 314 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT.

Broncos lost because they ran for 39 yards and the defense surrendered 415 total yards. 31-17 final score.

Matt Cassel against the 2010 Ravens -

9 for 18, 70 yards, 0 TD, 3 INT

Chiefs ran for 107 yards. Defense gave up 390 yards. 30-7 final score.
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Exactly.

Sadly, people are going to be content with winning a playoff game, should it ever happen.

****, people are content with winning the division once every 5 years as it is.
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Kyle Orton would have saved Pioli's job, and bought him time to get a real QB.

Matt Cassel is going to get Pioli fired.
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Newsflash, We havent traded up for a qb ever i dont think. They arent going to do it anymore soon i dont think. lol First you got Matt for a year, hopefully not, but it could be even 2. IF that dont work out. YOu have Stanzi for a year or 2. Thats 4 until we look for a qb in the draft imo.

We are ****ed no matter what. May as well get the best you can even if he's not elite n see what happens.
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Kyle Orton would have saved Pioli's job, and bought him time to get a real QB.

Matt Cassel is going to get Pioli fired.
We can only hope.
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Exactly.

Sadly, people are going to be content with winning a playoff game, should it ever happen.

****, people are content with winning the division once every 5 years as it is.
It's pretty much to the point that you've just described me. SB? This franchise? Right.
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It's pretty much to the point that you've just described me. SB? This franchise? Right.
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We'll be 6-10 without Bowe. With Bowe 10-6.
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