KK wrong about success of ASG

[-King-]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Saul's absolutely correct. Yea, the stadium looks great. But there is nothing to do prior to or after. The possibilities of retail $ flowing to business from the current location is virtually nil.

And there is no reason you can't build the exact same stadium downtown, giant scoreboard and all. I love the stadium. It's beautiful. That doesn't mean the renovation wasn't ridiculously short sighted. Clay Chastain was big on the idea of light rail connecting all the area destinations. Would have cost a bundle, but it would be nice to be a forward thinking city and be able to jump on a rail and hit the PL, the aquarium and Crown Center at midtown, or the Plaza. and the HSTSC. Even have it hit the Legends and the racetrack and the casinos.

Could have... would have. In 15 years that stadium will be built and it will be too cost prohibitive to put it in downtown. It'll be out at the racetrack. THAT's going to be the sad part.

Saul has been woodshedded on every argument hes come up with. He's wrong.
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[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by -King-

Saul has been woodshedded on every argument hes come up with. He's wrong.
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Not entirely. And this comes from one of the guys who has spent a lot of time arguing with him in this thread. A lot of things he says do not make sense. However there still is the issue of personal preference. Some people actually prefer the bar scene to the tailgate scene. I personally do not understand that myself. But different strokes.....

So he is not wrong in wanting a downtown ball park because that is more to his tastes. It's his arguments and then flipping his arguments that got him owned.

[WilliamTheIrish]

Originally Posted by -King-

Saul has been woodshedded on every argument hes come up with. He's wrong.
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Saul hasn't been woodshedded in the least.

Saul hit on several perfectly reasonable and cogent points:

The City Council and city planners is/are full of idiots.

That R. Crosby Kemper one of the city's most recognizable faces and leaders agreed that moving the stadium downtown was in the best interest of the city.

That after 40 years there is still nothing around the HSTSC.

The possibility for increased attendance and creating a better overall family experience complete with hotels, retail shopping, restraunts and *gasp* bars is greater with a downtown stadium vs what the Royals have now is all completely correct.

It's sad that since KK said it first (and I agreed with him then) that we dismiss the idea again today.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by WilliamTheIrish

Saul hasn't been woodshedded in the least.

Saul hit on several perfectly reasonable and cogent points:

The City Council and city planners is/are full of idiots.

That R. Crosby Kemper one of the city's most recognizable faces and leaders agreed that moving the stadium downtown was in the best interest of the city.

That after 40 years there is still nothing around the HSTSC.

The possibility for increased attendance and creating a better overall family experience complete with hotels, retail shopping, restraunts and *gasp* bars is greater with a downtown stadium vs what the Royals have now is all completely correct.

It's sad that since KK said it first (and I agreed with him then) that we dismiss the idea again today.

Read the last page. Where would the stadium be built that would have all these bars nearby? Where are all these people coming from that supposedly walk from work into the game?

Unless you can prove a downtown stadium = significantly higher attendance, this means nothing.

Because right now, this stadium is #1 in attendance and it's a lot like the K