Chiefs ***OFFICIAL 2012 KC Chiefs Training Camp Thread*** - Page 67

Kylo Ren · 08:51 AM

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Just Passin' By · 07-31-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Undertaker

Not really....looks like he's in the same group of "crap" players that didn't live up to their draft potential.

Yes, really. He's one of the better picks in the top 10, in a year that was terrible at the top.

whoman69 · 07-31-2012, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Having a force at NT who can take up multiple blockers and still collapse the pocket is going to be huge for increasing the sack numbers. They wont be able to easily step away from Hali now, especially with Houston coming from the other side. Our DE's should even be able to steal a few sacks too, even though their primary job is to take up blockers to free up the LBers, and secondary job is to stop the run. Rushing the passer is a luxery that 3-4 DE's rarely can do.

Opposing teams are selecting with increased frequency to pass against our base defense because they know the Chiefs will not get any pass rush with Dorsey and Jackson in the game. The argument that they are run stoppers in a fail in a game where they are having to more and more provide some pressure as a rusher in passing downs.

aturnis · 07-31-2012, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

Actually, you are echoing my point. A team must have good players and these guys on the Chiefs DL so far just have not gotten it going. Re "undersized" this NYG group was one of the best run stuffer defenses ever, so size really isn't an issue.

The bottom line is and always will be players and this team just has not had any good BFF type DL guys going back more than a decade. I think they are on track, we'll see if some of the new players like Bailey and Powe, Poe or somebody can get pressure during passing downs.

Speaking of passing downs, you don't want your DL "taking up blockers" during a pass play. What has been going on here is that the staff is buying the team time giving you catch phrases like "we need them to take up blockers" yadayada. Well that's all dandy during run plays, but to have 3 linemen just standing around engaged on blockers during a pass play is just laughable suggestion. That is coach - speak, for sure.

You have to be good enough to "contain rush" your way to the QB and that depends on what your OLB's are doing also. A good NT helps too, he is the one in the middle that absolutely MUST 2 gap his way up field. Sometimes you make your ROLB play contain rush while your RDE comes up the b gap, but you have to have a player at RDE that can get it and Dorsey is not that guy.

They really need that guy at RDE that can apply pressure. It's not really about sacks, but sacks will accumulate when you get pressure from DL positions. Poe could perhaps fill in this season, Powe is fairly quick so maybe he can get it going there.

Somebody has got to get that position going in order for this type of defense to get working.

Between Bailey, Poe, Powe & Jackson, somebody has got to start applying pressure from the DL.

You are an idiot. The defensive lines job on each and every play is to engage and play the run. Once they've read and recognized that the play is not a run, they are to disengage the blocker and begin to rush the QB. The big problem is disengaging blockers once they've made their read, Dorsey more so than Jackson.

SNR? Had a point though, it doesn't help when the NT gets handled and clogs your inside rushing lane. Basically forcing Dorsey and Jackson to try to come from the outside, and giving the QB room the step up in the pocket, or to the side of the other DE.

lostcause · 07-31-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Direckshun

Only the Ravens or the Steelers are comparable to our system among the teams you've listed. All the others you're citing are 1-gaps.

I get it. But the common denominator is that qb pressure from any of the 3-4 teams is in general not generated by the dl spot and that the 80s Giants are more of an anomaly than a barometer of solid 3-4 dline play.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-31-2012, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Not Gettin' It

Yes, really. He's one of the better picks in the top 10, in a year that was terrible at the top.

Are you sure you're not a Chiefs fan? Because you sound like one.

Nothing like rationalizing taking a one-dimensional player with the 3rd overall pick just because a handful of other teams ****ed up their pick.

Chiefs Pantalones · 07-31-2012, 05:15 PM

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Chiefs Pantalones · 07-31-2012, 05:20 PM

Chiefs are "loaded" on both sides of the ball. Two of three analysts pick Chiefs to win the division.

O.city · 07-31-2012, 05:21 PM

So, has anything been said about Tjax from TC?

**petegz28** · 07-31-2012, 05:37 PM

You weigh almost 300, have 2 shirts on, the top one black, jeans and you sit in the sun waving a paper fan to cool yourself. Whats wrong with that picture?

ToxSocks · 07-31-2012, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

You weigh almost 300, have 2 shirts on, the top one black, jeans and you sit in the sun waving a paper fan to cool yourself. Whats wrong with that picture?

You at camp or something?

Just Passin' By · 07-31-2012, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Are you sure you're not a Chiefs fan? Because you sound like one.

Nothing like rationalizing taking a one-dimensional player with the 3rd overall pick just because a handful of other teams ****ed up their pick.

Objective analysis. You should give it a try.

**petegz28** · 07-31-2012, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by The Macho Man

You at camp or something?

Yea.

kcxiv · 07-31-2012, 05:48 PM

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**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-31-2012, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Just Not Gettin' It

Objective analysis. You should give it a try.

There's nothing objective about your comment.

He's either a good pick at 3rd overall, or he's not.

Hint: He's not.

What other teams did on draft day is irrelevant.

There were 250+ prospects drafted that weekend, only two of them were unavailable to us. And we ended up with a one-dimensional player at a non-impact position.

Look, I'm glad the kid is at least above average against the run. At least we're getting something out of him, and he's not a complete bust.

But to rationalize a bad pick because other teams made mistakes as well?

Hammock Parties · 07-31-2012, 05:49 PM

That's a completely objective analysis.

Tyson Jackson was a terrible pick. Maybe if he had been picked in the 2nd round he'd be good value.

As it is there are 10-12 players from that first round who are better.

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