Chiefs Scott Pioli has holdout experience

Quesadilla Joe · 08-03-2012, 02:29 AM

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Dwayne Bowe’s holdout from the Kansas City Chiefs is sure to wear on the nerves of the team’s general manager, Scott Pioli.

No general manger has much patience for a veteran holdout and I’m sure Pioli is no different. Yet, he does have experience in this situation, as this is not Pioli’s first holdout rodeo.

In 2007, when Pioli was an executive with the New England Patriots, cornerback Asante Samuel held out as the franchise player.

It will be interesting to see if Bowe’s situation resolves itself the same way as Samuel’s issue in New England did. Samuel reported to the Patriots on Aug. 27, 2007, after missing training camp and three preseason games. Bowe -- who missed the entire offseason -- has been out since Chiefs camp started Friday.

Interestingly, Samuel received some concessions from the Patriots as he ended his holdout and signed his franchise tender in 2007. The reported agreement was if Samuel played 60 percent of the defensive snaps or if the Patriots won 12 games in 2007, New England would not put the franchise tag on him. The requirements were met and Samuel went on to sign a monster deal with Philadelphia in 2008 as an unrestricted free agent.

I’m sure Bowe would be interested in a similar agreement, but there are no guarantees the Chiefs would do something similar. If so, I’d think the requirements would be more difficult to attain in Bowe’s particular situation. There was little chance a healthy Samuel would play less than 60 percent of the snaps and the loaded Patriots went 16-0 that season, so the odds were Samuel would not be franchised.

The Chiefs may want to give themselves more protection.

Plus, Samuel was a different player than Bowe. Cornerbacks are valued more than receivers, Samuel was part of two Super Bowl winning teams and he was always a good team player. Who knows how Pioli will react, but the Samuel situation gave him valuable experience in dealing with a veteran holdout.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post...out-experience

I wasn't going to post this until I read the bolded part. I remember reading some debate here about whether or not Bowe could work out a deal with the Chiefs so that he couldn't be tagged next year.

Hammock Parties · 08-03-2012, 02:31 AM

Should read cornerbacks WERE valued more than receivers.

**007** · 08-03-2012, 04:03 AM

Pioli wasn't the GM there so he still doesn't have experience in this.

oldman · 08-03-2012, 08:10 AM

Bowe will play this year. If he leaves $9+M on the table, I'd question if he's smart enough to get on the team bus. That said, the longer he holds out, the farther behind he's going to be in a new system. While that may not be all that important for a WR, it's sure to effect his numbers when he does see the field. That may wind up backfiring on him when it comes to contract time either with us or another team.

Hammock Parties · 08-03-2012, 08:34 AM

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Originally Posted by oldman

Bowe will play this year. If he leaves $9+M on the table, I'd question if he's smart enough to get on the team bus.

So every player who refuses to play under the franchise tag is a moron?

King_Chief_Fan · 08-03-2012, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

So every player who refuses to play under the franchise tag is a moron?

yup...in this case for sure. If Bowe thinks he is worth more, then he is a moron

**petegz28** · 08-03-2012, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

So every player who refuses to play under the franchise tag is a moron?

Anyone who opts for $0 as opposed to $9.5 mil at the end of the day is a moron. If he doesn't like he plays this year then walks.

Hammock Parties · 08-03-2012, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

yup...in this case for sure. If Bowe thinks he is worth more, then he is a moron

It's not a question of is he worth more, moron. Bowe would probably happily accept a contract that paid him 9.5 per with a good signing bonus.

He blows out a knee in training camp he gets ZERO MONEY WHATSOEVER this year.

And you call him a moron for not signing a contract that puts him into that kind of risk.

**petegz28** · 08-03-2012, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

It's not a question of is he worth more, moron. Bowe would probably happily accept a contract that paid him 9.5 per with a good signing bonus.

He blows out a knee in training camp he gets ZERO MONEY WHATSOEVER this year.

And you call him a moron for not signing a contract that puts him into that kind of risk.

Well, if he holds out he gets zero money.

Amnorix · 08-03-2012, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Guru

Pioli wasn't the GM there so he still doesn't have experience in this.

This post doesn't make that much sense. Did he have final authority over hte situation? No. But Belichick made it clear that the BB/SP team was a true "team" and Pioli, as the senior guy on the personnel side, was probably the one most closely involved in discussions with Samuel's agent, etc. He was on the front lines of the situation and involved in EVERY discussion on the Patriots side on what to do.

So to say he doesn't have experience dealing with a holdout situation is ridiculous.

Hammock Parties · 08-03-2012, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

Well, if he holds out he gets zero money.

He doesn't have to hold out into the regular season.

Risking his health in TC right now though is a pretty questionable idea.

philfree · 08-03-2012, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

It's not a question of is he worth more, moron. Bowe would probably happily accept a contract that paid him 9.5 per with a good signing bonus.

He blows out a knee in training camp he gets ZERO MONEY WHATSOEVER this year.

And you call him a moron for not signing a contract that puts him into that kind of risk.

I think the new CBA took care of this. He'd get a cool million or so in that situation. And knees can be fixed these days so a career ending injury is unlikely. Bowe would be a fool not to play.

**penguinz** · 08-03-2012, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

So every player who refuses to play under the franchise tag is a moron?

With the new CBA they pretty much are. Since they are not allowed to negotiate a new contract once the cutoff date has come they really have no choice. They can only lose money for the season not get more.

Hammock Parties · 08-03-2012, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by philfree

He'd get a cool million or so in that situation. And knees can be fixed these days so a career ending injury is unlikely.

Hey, example of this fanbase being full of ****ing mouthbreathers.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 08-03-2012, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Hey, example of this fanbase being full of ****ing mouthbreathers.

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