***OFFICIAL 2012 KC Chiefs Training Camp Thread***

[Kylo Ren]

Discuss everything Chiefs / training camp related here......

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Mark Cassell sucks!

[O.city]

One position I'm watching specifically is OLB behind HOuston and Hali.


Sheffield needs to keep getting better and this Jones is intriguing.

[KCUnited]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Beyond that, Fescoe is an obviously biased Stanzi hater. He puts Stanzi's name on all his short comings in camp, every one of them. When all the other guys are tweeting "beautiful pass by Stanzi to the back corner for a TD, put it where only insert name could get it", Fescoe tweets "great grab in the back corner by insert name".

Agreed again, he's also a Cassel apologist, but the biased tweets are going on from a lot of guys up there from both sides.

Metro Sports on TWC has the best evaluations I've seen.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Sheffield looked really good the other night.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

Wow, that's pretty weak. I must have hit a nerve. Why do you think I'm a troll? I'm just calling it like I see it. I've probably been a Chiefs fan before you were born Captain Internet Burn Master.

I see Charles cut and juke and that's just great. I like Charles and wouldn't rather have anyone else. That said, his specialty is speed and not agility. I'm not saying he's not agile by any means but, he's not as agile as some.

It's funny you bring up Tyler Palko. You know it's bad when Stanzi can't beat out Palko. Even after Palko is horrible. Haley went out and had Palko throw three straight passes to open the game against the Jets. Three straight passes against Revis and Cromartie. He had the courage to do that with Palko but wouldn't let Stanzi see the field. Then, Haley got fired and Romeo became the coach. Did Romeo even look at Stanzi? Hell no he didn't. He found a guy off the street and put his career in that guy's hands.

The fact that you have Stanzi as your avatar tells me all I need to know. If you are going to cry to the mods and try and get me banned, do it through PMs so we don't have to hear that shit.

You said Dexter McCluster has more quickness to his game than Jamaal Charles, who is really nothing but straightline speed.

People called you an idiot, but you didn't back down. You kept going. You actually thought you were right. What's the only defense you were able to come up with? "Don't care it's just my opinion it's how I see things."

So when something that reeruned walks up to the front door, don't be surprised if people think it's a mult of another account, or just a troll. Or even a rival fan. It's tough to find people who are genuinely as dumb as you are these days. Your little McCluster tantrum back there was pretty startling.

Also, only reeruns say cliched shit like, "I call things like I see them."

Go fist your mother.

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Beyond that, Fescoe is an obviously biased Stanzi hater. He puts Stanzi's name on all his short comings in camp, every one of them. When all the other guys are tweeting "beautiful pass by Stanzi to the back corner for a TD, put it where only insert name could get it", Fescoe tweets "great grab in the back corner by insert name".

I think you should give the KCChiefsDraft.com guy a chance rather than just glancing at it. He is unbiased. He talked about every pass Stanzi makes. The good ones and the picks. He is more or less just documenting each day of training camp.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Adam Teicher ‏@adamteicher

Another day appears ready to pass without Brandon Flowers on the #Chiefs practice field: http://bit.ly/NBoI16

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by SNR

You said Dexter McCluster has more quickness to his game than Jamaal Charles, who is really nothing but straightline speed.

People called you an idiot, but you didn't back down. You kept going. You actually thought you were right. What's the only defense you were able to come up with? "Don't care it's just my opinion it's how I see things."

So when something that reeruned walks up to the front door, don't be surprised if people think it's a mult of another account, or just a troll. Or even a rival fan. It's tough to find people who are genuinely as dumb as you are these days. Your little McCluster tantrum back there was pretty startling.

Also, only reeruns say cliched shit like, "I call things like I see them."

Go fist your mother.

Why don't you just take something completely out of context and take it to the furtherest extreme snuffleupogus noob rapist?

[aturnis]

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Originally Posted by O.city

We just need Flowers to get healthy. Brown as the backup/developmental guy for another year is a really good problem to have. Let him play some sub stuff this year and maybe a spot start or something.

I hope he grows into a solid corner, not that he isn't decent already. I think his biggest problems as a rookie were mental and having to think too much to really react leading to him getting beat. He's got good size.

I'm just not going to get excited b/c he got his hand on some errant training camp throws allowing him to look better than he may truly be to an un knowledgeable fan/media member.

Most guys see an incompletion and attribute it to one thing and not a combination of many, same goes for completions. Cassel isn't as good as reported, he's got the most talented around him at all times, and throws high percentage passes, and usually only if they're safe. Rarely does he step out of that comfort zone. How would Cassel look with the 3rd team? How would he look if he didn't throw safe passes more often than not?

Cassel's "superior command" of the offense is a combination of things, including his veteran status(the more offenses you learn throughout your career, the easier it is to learn new ones), the guys he plays with giving him more options per play with their ability to match ups well against a variety of defenses. Cassel's has good weapons that compliment each other well, Quinn and Stanzi don't.

Cassel will do well this year, and will be above average with the offense around him, but he won't be elite like he should be. I think both Quinn and Stanzi could perform comparatively as well with this offense.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

I hear you. Everyone has their hits and misses. I like Formerdb but, he's really not that different than most others. I guess my point is that he's not the end all be all of Chiefs evaluators.

He is the best talent evaluator I have seen from the fanbase, period. He knows what he's looking at unlike the guys at KCChiefsDraft.com, and tries to make his evaluations based off of what he sees. That said, he isn't completely unbiased as he is a fan of the team and is probably as susceptible to a homeristic view as any other fan from time to time.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

Why don't you just take something completely out of context and take it to the furtherest extreme snuffleupogus noob rapist?

You said these things, yes?

Originally Posted by BlackBob

LOL I realize Dex could be on the way out. I don't think Charles is a top 5 back anymore. I'm not saying Charles isn't fast. I'm just being real. Charles is not Chris Johnson imo. I think some homers think he is but I don't. Charles is a sprinter. We were 8-0 when Thomas Jones got 11 or more carries in 2010 for a reason. Dante Hall was quick. Charles was not as quick as Dante Hall but hee is faster. It's the same thing imo.

Originally Posted by BlackBob

He's got moves and he breaks alot of tackles. You never really see him juke people out of their shoes. Nothing special there imo. God forbid you pull your nose out of King Charle's ass and don't eat the boogers. You all can think what you want to. I don't see him as a quick back. He's an elite speed guy like Napoleon Kaufman but he's not a scat back imo.

Tell me what I'm taking out of context, then.

Or, you could do the sensible thing and apologize for being such a ****ing idiot.

[durtyrute]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Beyond that, Fescoe is an obviously biased Stanzi hater. He puts Stanzi's name on all his short comings in camp, every one of them. When all the other guys are tweeting "beautiful pass by Stanzi to the back corner for a TD, put it where only insert name could get it", Fescoe tweets "great grab in the back corner by insert name".

I don't understand the hate that ****oe has for Stanzi.

[Direckshun]

bump.

I am having a bear of a time finding this thread this afternoon. No idea why.

[durtyrute]

Originally Posted by aturnis

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I hope he grows into a solid corner, not that he isn't decent already. I think his biggest problems as a rookie were mental and having to think too much to really react leading to him getting beat. He's got good size.

I'm just not going to get excited b/c he got his hand on some errant training camp throws allowing him to look better than he may truly be to an un knowledgeable fan/media member.

Most guys see an incompletion and attribute it to one thing and not a combination of many, same goes for completions. Cassel isn't as good as reported, he's got the most talented around him at all times, and throws high percentage passes, and usually only if they're safe. Rarely does he step out of that comfort zone. How would Cassel look with the 3rd team? How would he look if he didn't throw safe passes more often than not?

Cassel's "superior command" of the offense is a combination of things, including his veteran status(the more offenses you learn throughout your career, the easier it is to learn new ones), the guys he plays with giving him more options per play with their ability to match ups well against a variety of defenses. Cassel's has good weapons that compliment each other well, Quinn and Stanzi don't.

Cassel will do well this year, and will be above average with the offense around him, but he won't be elite like he should be. I think both Quinn and Stanzi could perform comparatively as well with this offense.

Both Quinn and Stanzi have higher ceilings than Cassel. His inability to throw deep passes and always wanting to "play it safe" is all I need to know about Cassel.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

bump.

I am having a bear of a time finding this thread this afternoon. No idea why.

Here it is.

[rico]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Beyond that, Fescoe is an obviously biased Stanzi hater. He puts Stanzi's name on all his short comings in camp, every one of them. When all the other guys are tweeting "beautiful pass by Stanzi to the back corner for a TD, put it where only insert name could get it", Fescoe tweets "great grab in the back corner by insert name".

With Fescoe, I get the vibe that he wants Cassel to succeed, but if he doesn't succeed, he doesn't want him replaced by Stanzi or Quinn. He'd rather have them replaced by an elite QB prospect in the draft. There is no other explanation for the total lopsidedness of pointing out every Stanzi mistake and unwilling to acknowledge anything that Stanzi does well. I also get the vibe that he may do some of this on purpose because he thinks it's funny seeing the Stanzi fans squirm.... he made a tweet about Stanzi during the Cardinals game that seriously came off as if he were reading this board. It was, "Stanzi looks so good handing it off" -crazed Stanzi fans everywhere. I think he made this tweet after some people on here were joking around about how good he looks handing the ball off the live game thread.

I dunno, maybe I'm wrong...? I just think the lopsidedness in his reports are too strange...has to be a motive to it.