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Mr. Laz · 08-17-2012, 01:06 PM

Video captures Michigan man's shooting by police
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/16/us/mic...ing/index.html

From Jason Carroll and Sheila Steffen, CNN
updated 10:12 AM EDT, Fri August 17, 2012

Man killed by cops, shot multiple times

STORY HIGHLIGHTS

Milton Hall was killed in a confrontation with police in Saginaw, Michigan
"It appeared to be a firing squad dressed in police uniforms," his mother says
Prosecutors and state police are investigating Hall's killing
His family says he was mentally ill and questions why the probe is taking so long

Saginaw, Michigan (CNN) -- Three days before Independence Day, Milton Hall died in a fusillade of police gunfire outside a strip mall.
He had been arguing with officers in a parking lot next to a shuttered Chinese restaurant when he was shot, in full view of passing motorists and while he was holding some sort of knife. Saginaw County Prosecutor Michael Thomas said later that the squad of police confronting him opened fire "because apparently, at this point in time, he was threatening to assault police."

Thomas' office and the Michigan State Police are investigating Hall's death. Saginaw Police Chief Gerald Cliff said Hall was "known to be an assaultive person" with "a long history" of contacts with law enforcement, "not only with police from our department but with the county."
Hall's cousin, Mike Washington, acknowledged Hall had been jailed for minor offenses like vagrancy in the past, but, "He was not violent." And Hall's mother is growing impatient with the probe and questions why police opened fire so furiously on her son, whom she said was mentally ill.

The chart blog: Mental health

"It appeared to be a firing squad dressed in police uniforms," Jewel Hall told CNN from her hometown of Albuquerque, New Mexico. "There was another way. They did not have to kill him. He had not done anything. He was not violent. He was not a murderer. He was not a criminal."
Jewel Hall said her son had once trained as a civil right activist, been an avid reader and played football. He had lived in Saginaw for 35 years and received Social Security disability payments for a mental illness, but, "He knew his rights."

"Everybody knew him. The police knew him well," she said. "So that's another question: they knew him, so why? Why did they kill him?"

WJRT: Community questions police shooting

The July 1 shooting happened in a parking lot on West Genessee Avenue, a busy commercial strip on the north side of Saginaw. In a video purchased by CNN, shot by a motorist from across the street, the 49-year-old Hall is seen arguing with a half-dozen officers. For more than three minutes, he walks back and forth, and at one time appears to crouch in a "karate stance," according to the man who captured the scene.

Police said Hall had just had a run-in with a convenience store clerk. On the video, he tells police, "My name is Milton Hall, I just called 911. My name is Milton, and I'm p---ed off." When an officer tells him to put the knife down, he responds, "I ain't putting s--t down." He appears unimpressed by a police dog, telling officers, "Let him go. Let the motherf---ing dog go."

Finally, he turns to the left of the frame, where another officer had moved out of view a short time earlier. It's then that the police open fire with a reported 46 shots in a five-second hail of bullets.
"I'm stunned that six human beings would stand in front of one human being and fire 46 shots," Jewel Hall said. "I just don't understand that. It's a lot of pain in that because it only takes one shot, so the question is why?"

She questioned why none of the cameras in the police cars at the scene recorded the shooting -- "none of them work."

"So that's the question I have and the community has is, what's taking so long?" she said. "Why is not being transparent?"

Lou Palumbo, a former Long Island police officer, told CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" that the video is "a perceptive nightmare" for a police department and could reflect a lack of training by the officers.

"This wasn't a scenario where he was discharging a weapon in their direction," he said.

But Palumbo added that the shooting may yet be determined to be justifiable. "One of the things the public has to understand, an individual wielding a knife at you at about 20 feet can be on top of you in a split second," he said. "The public doesn't know this because they don't do this for a living."

Neither state police nor the prosecutor's office would comment on the investigation. In a written statement to CNN, the state police said, "Our focus is on conducting a complete and thorough investigation, rather than a hasty one."

But Saginaw City Councilman Norman Braddock, who also has criticized the pace of the investigation, said the probe should be a "top priority."
When CNN showed Braddock the video, which he hadn't seen before, he said, "This is disturbing."

"I can see what people are traumatized at, looking at something like that," Braddock said. "We need answers."

Jewel Hall said her family is conducting its own investigation into the shooting, "and at the end of that investigation we will decide what next steps to take with our legal advisors."

Frazod · 08-17-2012, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny Vegas

did the SEAL team shoot bin laden 30 ****ing times? no.

Are you really comparing our most elite SF operatives to a bunch of ****ing cops?

**petegz28** · 08-17-2012, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Strongside

Yeah, like I said, I've never dealt with the police other than when they came to break up my parties in college. I wasn't thinking straight because of the fight, so I put my hands in my pocket. Having a gun in my face was definitely no bueno though.

Been there with the gun in the face a couple times. Been shot at and shot back in one instance. It's ****ing scary as hell. Luckily I was going for tires and not the people in the car or I'd be in prison.

**petegz28** · 08-17-2012, 06:53 PM

My Cousin was charged with excessive force when he shot a guy in his liquor store for trying to rob him with a meathook attached to an 11ft tow chain. They claimed the use of a firearm was excessive. I'll just say that fortunately for my cousin his father was very well connected politicaly. But nonetheless the point is just how the tables turn when it's a cop vs. a civilian

Johnny Vegas · 08-17-2012, 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frazod

Are you really comparing our most elite SF operatives to a bunch of ****ing cops?

I'm pointing out that I'm sure the SEAL team wanted to put 100 rounds into bin laden but they didn't due to their training. Cops need to have the same discipline especially when dealing with society every day they should have higher standards when it comes to deadly force.

Frazod · 08-17-2012, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Vegas

I'm pointing out that I'm sure the SEAL team wanted to put 100 rounds into bin laden but they didn't due to their training. Cops need to have the same discipline especially when dealing with society every day they should have higher standards when it comes to deadly force.

You're funny.

**BigRedChief** · 08-17-2012, 07:04 PM

you **** with cops, you open the door to that slippery path where things can go south very fast. Start screaming about how you know your rights, you arn't doing anything wrong always works so well.

Just play nice, answer a few questions politely and everyone goes on with their day. You chose agressive actions or attitude, you are going to have a bad day.

Dallas Chief · 08-17-2012, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by petegz28

My Cousin was charged with excessive force when he shot a guy in his liquor store for trying to rob him with a meathook attached to an 11ft tow chain. They claimed the use of a firearm was excessive. I'll just say that fortunately for my cousin his father was very well connected politicaly. But nonetheless the point is just how the tables turn when it's a cop vs. a civilian

Dude! That is some hard living in Olathe. Cousins and meathooks and chains and shooting at tires and stuff. Who knew?

BIG_DADDY · 08-17-2012, 08:19 PM

This is why they arrest and prosecute citizens who film cops.

**petegz28** · 08-17-2012, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dallas Chief

Dude! That is some hard living in Olathe. Cousins and meathooks and chains and shooting at tires and stuff. Who knew?

That's how we roll in the South JoCo!!!

Wallcrawler · 08-17-2012, 09:24 PM

Obviously, dude should have dropped the knife. However, far too many people are of the opinion that since he didnt drop the knife, and took a couple steps, that the shoot was justified.

Maybe for you or me, a civilian without training of any kind in legitimate fear for your life, you would be understood taking that kind of action.

These cops are trained to handle this stuff. 6 cops and a dog against one man with a knife and youre telling me the ONLY POSSIBLE OUTCOME is 46 shots fired, 30 hitting the suspect?

There was no way to take him alive?

Helluva team.

RJ · 08-17-2012, 09:36 PM

If 20 feet is too close.....perhaps the officers could back up a few feet to a safer distance?

Just not a good reason to kill a man.

wutamess · 08-17-2012, 10:19 PM

He won't do that shit again!!!

People kill me with their excuses when the ****er is clearly in the wrong. Everybody's always a victim.
Could he have been tazed?... Yes.

But lets be brutally honest here. This fugger has been a thorn in the law enforcements ass for quite a while. Why keep putting up with the shit? They demanded he put a knife down. He didn't. He confronted them with it and invited them to kick his ass. All they did was comply with his wishes.

If this was an arab video, we'd be saying, "that's the type of no bullshit tude we need to have over here". Pussification of America continues.

Make an example out of his ass!
No sarcasm.

MOhillbilly · 08-17-2012, 10:29 PM

Why not Lynch him and make a real example?

**kysirsoze** · 08-17-2012, 10:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wutamess

He won't do that shit again!!!

People kill me with their excuses when the ****er is clearly in the wrong. Everybody's always a victim.
Could he have been tazed?... Yes.

But lets be brutally honest here. This fugger has been a thorn in the law enforcements ass for quite a while. Why keep putting up with the shit? They demanded he put a knife down. He didn't. He confronted them with it and invited them to kick his ass. All they did was comply with his wishes.

If this was an arab video, we'd be saying, "that's the type of no bullshit tude we need to have over here". Pussification of America continues.

Make an example out of his ass!

No shit! Why can't officers just shoot guys who have records. I mean he was already a convicted vagrant! I can't believe they didn't just hang him and get it over with!

wutamess · 08-17-2012, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MOhillbilly

Why not Lynch him and make a real example?

What's the difference? Fugger was in the wrong and a threat. 1 less threat.

08-17-2012, 01:06 PM
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	Video of Police shooting man 30+ times Video captures Michigan man's shooting by police http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/16/us/mic...ing/index.html From Jason Carroll and Sheila Steffen, CNN updated 10:12 AM EDT, Fri August 17, 2012 Man killed by cops, shot multiple times STORY HIGHLIGHTS Milton Hall was killed in a confrontation with police in Saginaw, Michigan "It appeared to be a firing squad dressed in police uniforms," his mother says Prosecutors and state police are investigating Hall's killing His family says he was mentally ill and questions why the probe is taking so long Saginaw, Michigan (CNN) -- Three days before Independence Day, Milton Hall died in a fusillade of police gunfire outside a strip mall. He had been arguing with officers in a parking lot next to a shuttered Chinese restaurant when he was shot, in full view of passing motorists and while he was holding some sort of knife. Saginaw County Prosecutor Michael Thomas said later that the squad of police confronting him opened fire "because apparently, at this point in time, he was threatening to assault police." Thomas' office and the Michigan State Police are investigating Hall's death. Saginaw Police Chief Gerald Cliff said Hall was "known to be an assaultive person" with "a long history" of contacts with law enforcement, "not only with police from our department but with the county." Hall's cousin, Mike Washington, acknowledged Hall had been jailed for minor offenses like vagrancy in the past, but, "He was not violent." And Hall's mother is growing impatient with the probe and questions why police opened fire so furiously on her son, whom she said was mentally ill. The chart blog: Mental health "It appeared to be a firing squad dressed in police uniforms," Jewel Hall told CNN from her hometown of Albuquerque, New Mexico. "There was another way. They did not have to kill him. He had not done anything. He was not violent. He was not a murderer. He was not a criminal." Jewel Hall said her son had once trained as a civil right activist, been an avid reader and played football. He had lived in Saginaw for 35 years and received Social Security disability payments for a mental illness, but, "He knew his rights." "Everybody knew him. The police knew him well," she said. "So that's another question: they knew him, so why? Why did they kill him?" WJRT: Community questions police shooting The July 1 shooting happened in a parking lot on West Genessee Avenue, a busy commercial strip on the north side of Saginaw. In a video purchased by CNN, shot by a motorist from across the street, the 49-year-old Hall is seen arguing with a half-dozen officers. For more than three minutes, he walks back and forth, and at one time appears to crouch in a "karate stance," according to the man who captured the scene. Police said Hall had just had a run-in with a convenience store clerk. On the video, he tells police, "My name is Milton Hall, I just called 911. My name is Milton, and I'm p---ed off." When an officer tells him to put the knife down, he responds, "I ain't putting s--t down." He appears unimpressed by a police dog, telling officers, "Let him go. Let the motherf---ing dog go." Finally, he turns to the left of the frame, where another officer had moved out of view a short time earlier. It's then that the police open fire with a reported 46 shots in a five-second hail of bullets. "I'm stunned that six human beings would stand in front of one human being and fire 46 shots," Jewel Hall said. "I just don't understand that. It's a lot of pain in that because it only takes one shot, so the question is why?" She questioned why none of the cameras in the police cars at the scene recorded the shooting -- "none of them work." "So that's the question I have and the community has is, what's taking so long?" she said. "Why is not being transparent?" Lou Palumbo, a former Long Island police officer, told CNN's "Anderson Cooper 360" that the video is "a perceptive nightmare" for a police department and could reflect a lack of training by the officers. "This wasn't a scenario where he was discharging a weapon in their direction," he said. But Palumbo added that the shooting may yet be determined to be justifiable. "One of the things the public has to understand, an individual wielding a knife at you at about 20 feet can be on top of you in a split second," he said. "The public doesn't know this because they don't do this for a living." Neither state police nor the prosecutor's office would comment on the investigation. In a written statement to CNN, the state police said, "Our focus is on conducting a complete and thorough investigation, rather than a hasty one." But Saginaw City Councilman Norman Braddock, who also has criticized the pace of the investigation, said the probe should be a "top priority." When CNN showed Braddock the video, which he hadn't seen before, he said, "This is disturbing." "I can see what people are traumatized at, looking at something like that," Braddock said. "We need answers." Jewel Hall said her family is conducting its own investigation into the shooting, "and at the end of that investigation we will decide what next steps to take with our legal advisors."
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