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Old 08-23-2012, 09:58 AM  
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11 QB's under the gun in '12
According to Fox Sports. No story, just a link to a slide show with a paragraph about each.

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Old 08-23-2012, 04:09 PM   #121
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Dude, I am an Iowa fan. Stanzi is one of the best QBs to ever play there.

Comparing him to Eli Manning is flat laughable.
I'm not comparing him to Eli Manning.

I am talking about people saying that they know what we have in Stanzi because they saw three preseason games in meaningless snaps. Same people who said Cassel turned everything around and was held back by Haley because he had two good starts in meaningless games against vanilla defenses.

The idea that we know what we have in a QB because of preseason games is outright laughable. Just as it was outright laughable that Giants fans and Chargers fans were scared shitless because their young QBs completely shit their pants in the early-going. I think people forget how bad Eli and Rivers looked in their first starts. They were really, really bad.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:11 PM   #122
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I'm talking about the idea that people "know what we have already."

Bull-****ing-shit. If Rivers and Eli, two elite prospects, are going to struggle embarrassingly in their first snaps as a pro, then why should we give up on Stanzi if he struggles too.

The difference is, I'm saying I don't know what we have in Stanzi. He could be really bad. And I acknowledge and always have acknowledged that he's a longshot.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:12 PM   #123
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History says a 7th round pick ins't going to win a Super Bowl.
The same number of 5th round picks and 7th round picks have won Super Bowls.

Any guess as to what that number is?
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:12 PM   #124
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I'm not comparing him to Eli Manning.

I am talking about people saying that they know what we have in Stanzi because they saw three preseason games in meaningless snaps. Same people who said Cassel turned everything around and was held back by Haley because he had two good starts in meaningless games against vanilla defenses.

The idea that we know what we have in a QB because of preseason games is outright laughable. Just as it was outright laughable that Giants fans and Chargers fans were scared shitless because their young QBs completely shit their pants in the early-going. I think people forget how bad Eli and Rivers looked in their first starts. They were really, really bad.
And neither were 5th round picks...

IF you are going to compare Stanzi to someone, you need to compare him to 5th round QB's that are still starting in the league...

It would be like comparing Terrance Copper to Jerry Rice if he only have the chance to prove himself.

WTF do you think these teams are doing during training camp and practice? Playing lawn darts? Shit they have been evaluating him for some time now. What more do you need?
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:13 PM   #125
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I'm talking about the idea that people "know what we have already."

Bull-****ing-shit. If Rivers and Eli, two elite prospects, are going to struggle embarrassingly in their first snaps as a pro, then why should we give up on Stanzi if he struggles too.

The difference is, I'm saying I don't know what we have in Stanzi. He could be really bad. And I acknowledge and always have acknowledged that he's a longshot.
Stanzi crumbles like a house of cards whenever a rusher is nearby. What more do you need to see? Do you think he might "grow out of that"?

The only mistake the front office made was not realizing this sooner and finding a better prospect to develop.

This has nothing to do with Iowa Football...I really couldn't care less. Any Chiefs fan should want what is best for KC, period. The amount of misplaced Stanzi hope/love on this site has been suffocating. Enough already! Time to deal in reality. Cassel is the guy for now and Brady Quinn is the back up. We need to get f'ing serious about finding and grooming a real QB of the future and very f'ing soon!
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:13 PM   #126
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Because Stanzi was selected in the 5th ****ing round and wasn't an elite prospect. There's a huge difference. If you can't see the difference between the #1 pick and a 5th round pick then you are a ****ing moron.

Stanzi has to earn his shot on the field and he hasn't earned shit but the back seat.
I'm not comparing him to Eli Manning, smart ass.

I'm talking about how even an elite prospect like Eli Manning looked like complete dog shit in his first few snaps. If Eli Manning looked like ass, why should we expect Stanzi to be throwing 3 TDs in his first stint?

What I'm asking is if you give Stanzi 6 full games with meaningful snaps, how much would he improve? None of us know that. Except for you, because you're convinced that two preseasons of limited snaps tells you everything you need to know about a QB.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:14 PM   #127
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I'm not comparing him to Eli Manning.

I am talking about people saying that they know what we have in Stanzi because they saw three preseason games in meaningless snaps. Same people who said Cassel turned everything around and was held back by Haley because he had two good starts in meaningless games against vanilla defenses.

The idea that we know what we have in a QB because of preseason games is outright laughable. Just as it was outright laughable that Giants fans and Chargers fans were scared shitless because their young QBs completely shit their pants in the early-going. I think people forget how bad Eli and Rivers looked in their first starts. They were really, really bad.
Eli and Rivers were high draft picks and got millions of dollars right off the bat.

Unfortunately for Stanzi, there is absolutely ZERO reason to give him the same number of chances those guys got.

There's a reason they were top guys and he was a 5th-round afterthought.

He's going to have to earn his playing time and to this point, he just hasn't done it.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:15 PM   #128
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Introducing logic into a Cassel discussion is like sand papering a bobcats ass in a phone booth...

The end result isnt what you'd hoped for.

i don't know what result you would look for in sand papering a bobcats ass in a phone booth.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:15 PM   #129
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And neither were 5th round picks...

IF you are going to compare Stanzi to someone, you need to compare him to 5th round QB's that are still starting in the league...

It would be like comparing Terrance Copper to Jerry Rice if he only have the chance to prove himself.

WTF do you think these teams are doing during training camp and practice? Playing lawn darts? Shit they have been evaluating him for some time now. What more do you need?
I'm not comparing his upside and abilities to Eli Manning. I'm comparing him to an undrafted QB, Matt Cassel.

In terms of evaluation. The Chiefs have been evaluating Cassel for 3 years. Pioli has had, what, 7 years? How much more do you need there to prove he's NOT the answer?
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I'm not comparing him to Eli Manning, smart ass.

I'm talking about how even an elite prospect like Eli Manning looked like complete dog shit in his first few snaps. If Eli Manning looked like ass, why should we expect Stanzi to be throwing 3 TDs in his first stint?

What I'm asking is if you give Stanzi 6 full games with meaningful snaps, how much would he improve? None of us know that. Except for you, because you're convinced that two preseasons of limited snaps tells you everything you need to know about a QB.
If you aren't comparing them then why the **** do you keep comparing them?

I bolded and underlined the part that is the reason Stanzi gets less opportunity than Eli Manning and Philip Rivers. Stanzi was not and is not an elite prospect.
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The same number of 5th round picks and 7th round picks have won Super Bowls.

Any guess as to what that number is?
I know its none. I'm also not on the Stanzi wagon either for the same reason. Our best shot is actually with Brady Quinn.
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I'm not comparing him to Eli Manning, smart ass.

I'm talking about how even an elite prospect like Eli Manning looked like complete dog shit in his first few snaps. If Eli Manning looked like ass, why should we expect Stanzi to be throwing 3 TDs in his first stint?

What I'm asking is if you give Stanzi 6 full games with meaningful snaps, how much would he improve? None of us know that. Except for you, because you're convinced that two preseasons of limited snaps tells you everything you need to know about a QB.
No GM in his right might would risk his career to give some 5th round QB meaningful snaps, just to see if he would improve...

Dead man walking...
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I'm talking about how even an elite prospect like Eli Manning looked like complete dog shit in his first few snaps. If Eli Manning looked like ass, why should we expect Stanzi to be throwing 3 TDs in his first stint?
Dude, nobody is expecting him to throw even 1 TD, let alone 3.

But we do expect him to not pirouette and DROP THE BALL every time he gets pressured.

He's making DUMB mistakes right now, enough of them that he doesn't DESERVE another look until he corrects them.
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Eli and Rivers were high draft picks and got millions of dollars right off the bat.

Unfortunately for Stanzi, there is absolutely ZERO reason to give him the same number of chances those guys got.

There's a reason they were top guys and he was a 5th-round afterthought.

He's going to have to earn his playing time and to this point, he just hasn't done it.
And why doesn't that theory also apply to Cassel? After all his mediocre play over time, shouldn't there be a point where he has to earn playing time too? Why does the young, unproven guy have to climb a mountain to earn a starting job where the veteran, provenly mediocre guy has to prove beyond a miserably reasonable doubt that he no longer deserves the job?
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