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Old 08-23-2012, 09:58 AM  
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11 QB's under the gun in '12
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:32 PM   #151
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Quinn and Stanzi don't either. Cassel is the best QB on the roster and it's not even debatable.
Welp, it's settled then; Pioli can't pick QB's for jack OR shit.

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I might stop reading threads about QB's until Cassel is gone. It's the same shit over and over.

Cassel sucks, and has ruined a pretty good team.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:33 PM   #152
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The problem is that the Chiefs walked into the season with the tightly held belief that Cassel was the starter until someone proved beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise.

And that's the big part of the problem. This should have been an open competition from the get-go. INstead, Pioli told Quinn flat-out that he's not the starter.

I wanted to see a fair QB competition, instead of a competition where the starter has to drop significantly and the backup has to rise significantly in order to see a switch.
In a truly fair competition, Cassel wins 99 times out of 100. Sad but true.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:34 PM   #153
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In a truly fair competition, Cassel wins 99 times out of 100. Sad but true.
If you put Quinn repeatedly in practice with Baldwin, Moeaki, Bowe, Charles, the starting offensive line, etc..... Don't you think that gives a much fairer edge, vs. spending all your practices with the #2's and #3's?

I mean, ****, Cassel's entire offense has been built around throwing to tight ends and running backs this offseason.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:36 PM   #154
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In a truly fair competition, Cassel wins 99 times out of 100. Sad but true.
Some people just wont get it. We need a QB in the worst way. Doesn't change the fact that Cassel is the best we have. Quinn is not better and neither is Stanzi. Stanzi MAY develop into something down the line but he is clearly the 3rd best QB on the roster, as of today, and no one is going to throw away a season because a 3rd string QB MAY develop into something years from now.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:36 PM   #155
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He's absolutely earned his snaps, by default. He's the best QB on the roster, hands down.

The coaches aren't going to start Stanzi because Stanzi simply isn't better than Cassel, it's as simple as that.

If you want to blame someone, blame Pioli.
That's not the way most teams approach that. Tannehill is not a better QB than Matt Moore. But he's earned the starting job.

Look, I get that Stanzi is a much bigger longshot than Tannehill. But the idea that a raw QB shouldn't beat out an experienced QB because he's not as good today makes it impossible for an average veteran QB to ever lose his job. The question is whether Quinn or Stanzi with reps and meaningful snaps can play as well as Cassel by mid-season, if not better. I think there is tremendous potential to do that.
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I watched EVERY snap of Stanzi's in college. Each and every single one. Based on that, I would agree with you.

But so far in this preseason, he's done exactly the opposite of what you say. He's crumbled in the face of pressure repeatedly, on damn near every play.
He crumbled under pressure in one game.

Last year's preseason (just watch the Bucs and Ravens game to see how he extended plays and sacrificed his body to make time for throws) and his college career say differently.

I'm not judging Steve Breaston's future as a WR on this year's preseason games because his past says different. Same goes for Ricky. The Rams game was SOME problem- either he was unfamiliar with the playbook, rattled from the pressure of the moment, or hell... maybe he wasn't in the game 100% mentally. I don't know WTF it was, but that wasn't the Ricky Stanzi I saw last year or at Iowa.

That being said, it must never happen again, or else it will be believed that that's the QB he really is.
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That's not the way most teams approach that. Tannehill is not a better QB than Matt Moore. But he's earned the starting job.

Look, I get that Stanzi is a much bigger longshot than Tannehill. But the idea that a raw QB shouldn't beat out an experienced QB because he's not as good today makes it impossible for an average veteran QB to ever lose his job. The question is whether Quinn or Stanzi with reps and meaningful snaps can play as well as Cassel by mid-season, if not better. I think there is tremendous potential to do that.
Why should any QB beat someone out when they aren't better?

Osweiler is going to be in Denver a lot longer than Peyton Manning. Why is he not starting? He's raw and was drafted in the 2nd.
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He's crumbled in the face of pressure repeatedly, on damn near every play.
Not even close to true.

Dude was fine in his first game.

In the second game he "crumbled" when a guy SLAMMED HIM IN THE HELMET right after he completed his drop. Just about every QB in the league does that.

The worst thing Stanzi has done this preseason is hold the ball too long once.

He hasn't been good enough to take anyone's job, but saying he's been a disaster is not accurate.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:41 PM   #159
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Why should any QB beat someone out when they aren't better?

Osweiler is going to be in Denver a lot longer than Peyton Manning. Why is he not starting? He's raw and was drafted in the 2nd.
Give me a ****ing break. I am not in favor of starting Quinn or Stanzi over Peyton Manning, a guy with upside to take the team to the Super Bowl. I'm talking about starting them in favor of Cassel, a guy whose upside is to be a huge longshot to win the Super Bowl.

And again, your argument is completely predicated around the idea that veterans with experience who play mediocrely should be favored over young guys who play mediocre today but could play very well with experience.
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I'll laugh pretty hard if the coaching staff blindsides everyone and chooses Stanzi as the #2 QB.
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Give me a ****ing break. I am not in favor of starting Quinn or Stanzi over Peyton Manning, a guy with upside to take the team to the Super Bowl. I'm talking about starting them in favor of Cassel, a guy whose upside is to be a huge longshot to win the Super Bowl.

And again, your argument is completely predicated around the idea that veterans with experience who play mediocrely should be favored over young guys who play mediocre today but could play very well with experience.
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Give me a ****ing break. I am not in favor of starting Quinn or Stanzi over Peyton Manning, a guy with upside to take the team to the Super Bowl. I'm talking about starting them in favor of Cassel, a guy whose upside is to be a huge longshot to win the Super Bowl.

And again, your argument is completely predicated around the idea that veterans with experience who play mediocrely should be favored over young guys who play mediocre today but could play very well with experience.
Have you seen Peyton lately? Curious. He can't even throw a spiral 1/5 times.
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If you put Quinn repeatedly in practice with Baldwin, Moeaki, Bowe, Charles, the starting offensive line, etc..... Don't you think that gives a much fairer edge, vs. spending all your practices with the #2's and #3's?

I mean, ****, Cassel's entire offense has been built around throwing to tight ends and running backs this offseason.
If Quinn had repeatedly demonstrated, while practicing with the 2's and 3's, that he deserved a chance to run with the 1's, you don't think they might try it, at least once?

At some point, the coaches' job is to get this team ready to win in the regular season. They can't spend the entire camp evaluating guys in some kind of futile hope that they can pull a rabbit out of the hat.

If there's not a Super Bowl caliber on the roster, that's not the coaches' fault. That's Pioli's fault.

They've got PLENTY of familiarity with Quinn, that's why they brought him here in the 1st place. And it's also why he's currently a backup and not a starter.
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Have you seen Peyton lately? Curious. He can't even throw a spiral 1/5 times.
And yet the Donks still pile up the passing yards.

He's fine.
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If Quinn had repeatedly demonstrated, while practicing with the 2's and 3's, that he deserved a chance to run with the 1's, you don't think they might try it, at least once?

At some point, the coaches' job is to get this team ready to win in the regular season. They can't spend the entire camp evaluating guys in some kind of futile hope that they can pull a rabbit out of the hat.

If there's not a Super Bowl caliber on the roster, that's not the coaches' fault. That's Pioli's fault.

They've got PLENTY of familiarity with Quinn, that's why they brought him here in the 1st place. And it's also why he's currently a backup and not a starter.
You don't think any of that was predicated on the idea that Pioli told Quinn flat out that he's the backup? It's not even like he said you could play very well and compete for the starting job. He told him flat-out that Cassel was the starter.

Which again goes to the idea... did Quinn never earn the right to first team reps? Or did Pioli make it very clear that that was never going to happen. It seems to me there is plenty of pressure from the top to say that it would have taken an act of god to remove Cassel from starting in game 1 this season.
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