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Old 08-23-2012, 09:58 AM  
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11 QB's under the gun in '12
According to Fox Sports. No story, just a link to a slide show with a paragraph about each.

Yes Castle is one of them.

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Old 08-23-2012, 04:48 PM   #166
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And yet the Donks still pile up the passing yards.

He's fine.
Piling up the turnovers too.

Peyton Manning of old could barely make it through the playoffs and he was the best QB in the league. Why should I believe Peyton Manning of now can?

Don't get me wrong. I'd still take 70% of Peyton over Cassel.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:50 PM   #167
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Apart from that whole throwing for 300 yards in the AFC Championship game thing...


That was one game against the 31st ranked pass defense in the league. Are you suggesting Flacco is NOT the reason the Ravens haven't made it to the Super Bowl recently? Because he is to the Ravens as Cassel is to the Chiefs.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:51 PM   #168
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Have you seen Peyton lately? Curious. He can't even throw a spiral 1/5 times.
Peyton at his absolute best is a Super Bowl QB. We know that.

Cassel at his absolute best is a borderline playoff QB... maybe not even that, in the wrong circumstances.

This isn't a hard argument here.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:51 PM   #169
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That's not the way most teams approach that. Tannehill is not a better QB than Matt Moore. But he's earned the starting job.

Look, I get that Stanzi is a much bigger longshot than Tannehill. But the idea that a raw QB shouldn't beat out an experienced QB because he's not as good today makes it impossible for an average veteran QB to ever lose his job. The question is whether Quinn or Stanzi with reps and meaningful snaps can play as well as Cassel by mid-season, if not better. I think there is tremendous potential to do that.
It absolutely is the way most teams approach it. Average veteran QBs get jobs in the NFL over and over and over again.

The only reason Tannehill is getting the nod here is because front offices always favor "their" guys. Tannehill was a high draft pick and the first draft pick of the new administration. If the competition in camp is even close, he's earned the right to compete for the starting job in the coaches' eyes. Ultimately, Philbin knows he doesn't have to win this year but he does have to win with Tannehill. He picked him and they're joined at the hip now, for better or worse.
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And yet the Donks still pile up the passing yards.

He's fine.
Against Seattle. Funny. When Cassel does that he gets blasted because it's just Seattle but when Peyton does that with no TDs and two INTs it's a good outing.
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Peyton at his absolute best is a Super Bowl QB. We know that.
Years ago when he could throw? Sure.
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Years ago when he could throw? Sure.
And you are basing that on the logic that 2 preseason games tells you everything you need to know about where he'll be a quarter of the way into the season. There is at least that possibility.

There isn't that possibility with Cassel. He's a certainty in mediocrity. No upside, limited downside.
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And again, your argument is completely predicated around the idea that veterans with experience who play mediocrely should be favored over young guys who play mediocre today but could play very well with experience.
Should be favored?

No. ARE favored.

The NFL has always been a quite conservative fraternity. That's what happens when these guys don't get a chance to think ahead. They have to win NOW.
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That was one game against the 31st ranked pass defense in the league. Are you suggesting Flacco is NOT the reason the Ravens haven't made it to the Super Bowl recently? Because he is to the Ravens as Cassel is to the Chiefs.
Joe Flacco played well enough to take the Ravens to the Super Bowl last year.

Call me when Cassel ever throws for 300 yards in a playoff game.

The Ravens won their division last year because of Joe Flacco, too. They swept the Steelers, and Flacco was freaking awesome in both games. He led a game-winning drive in the second one that was freaking incredible.

Don't you ever compare Joe Flacco to Matt Cassel. Flacco has actual talent, and has actually accomplished something in this league besides beating up on shitty teams.
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Holy ****, you know what Joe Flacco's record against playoff teams was last year?

7-1

In ONE YEAR Flacco had more than DOUBLE Cassel's wins against playoff teams FOR HIS CAREER.



Flacco > Cassel

And the guy was pretty statistically productive in most of those games. At worst, he was "efficient."
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You don't think any of that was predicated on the idea that Pioli told Quinn flat out that he's the backup? It's not even like he said you could play very well and compete for the starting job. He told him flat-out that Cassel was the starter.

Which again goes to the idea... did Quinn never earn the right to first team reps? Or did Pioli make it very clear that that was never going to happen. It seems to me there is plenty of pressure from the top to say that it would have taken an act of god to remove Cassel from starting in game 1 this season.
Cassel's body of work is head and shoulders better than Quinn's. There's absolutely no comparison.

Pioli told Quinn he's the backup because that's precisely what he is, a backup.
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And you are basing that on the logic that 2 preseason games tells you everything you need to know about where he'll be a quarter of the way into the season. There is at least that possibility.

There isn't that possibility with Cassel. He's a certainty in mediocrity. No upside, limited downside.
Tyson Jackson was this regime's very first pick.

If low ceiling/high floor REALLY pisses you off that much, you might as well find another team to root for.

Because they TRULY believe they can win this way.
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And you are basing that on the logic that 2 preseason games tells you everything you need to know about where he'll be a quarter of the way into the season. There is at least that possibility.

There isn't that possibility with Cassel. He's a certainty in mediocrity. No upside, limited downside.
Umm. Peyton isn't simply trying to shake off rust. He's trying to shake of ****ing nerve damage.
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Should be favored?

No. ARE favored.

The NFL has always been a quite conservative fraternity. That's what happens when these guys don't get a chance to think ahead. They have to win NOW.
The problem is... if you exclude teams with elite, franchise QBs, KC is one of less than 5 teams that hasn't taken a chance on a first round QB in the past 10 years. (no, getting Quinn at basement prices doesn't count).

So I don't agree that this is true. Teams are taking chances at QBs and they're starting guys like Gabbert and Tannehill way before they're ready. KC is going against the trend here in their outright refusal to displace a mediocrely performing QB or at least bring in competition to do so (vs. bringing in a backup and declaring that guy as the definite backup).
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Umm. Peyton isn't simply trying to shake off rust. He's trying to shake of ****ing nerve damage.
There is a possibility with Peyton. Even if he's not 100%.

There is no possibility with Cassel.
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