11 QB's under the gun in '12

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

According to Fox Sports. No story, just a link to a slide show with a paragraph about each.

Yes Castle is one of them.

Discuss.


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[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The problem is... if you exclude teams with elite, franchise QBs, KC is one of less than 5 teams that hasn't taken a chance on a first round QB in the past 10 years. (no, getting Quinn at basement prices doesn't count).

So I don't agree that this is true. Teams are taking chances at QBs and they're starting guys like Gabbert and Tannehill way before they're ready. KC is going against the trend here in their outright refusal to displace a mediocrely performing QB or at least bring in competition to do so (vs. bringing in a backup and declaring that guy as the definite backup).

That isn't Cassel's fault. Nor is it relevant to why Cassel is starting over Quinn and/or Stanzi.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There is a possibility with Peyton. Even if he's not 100%.

There is no possibility with Cassel.

This is where you are wrong.

It's unlikely the Chiefs win in the playoffs with Cassel. It's more likely the Chiefs win with Cassel than with Quinn or Stanzi.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Cassel's body of work is head and shoulders better than Quinn's. There's absolutely no comparison.

Pioli told Quinn he's the backup because that's precisely what he is, a backup.

Quinn doesn't have very much starting experience. Which again begs the question, given his past experiences, if you give him some real NFL snaps can he fast-track development to become better than Cassel? I think he absolutely can.

Is Quinn better than Cassel today? No. But given that Cassel has had a bajillion chances to gain that experience, it's hard for an inexperienced guy to be.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by jd1020

This is where you are wrong.

There is a minimal chance assuming everything falls into place and Cassel has an outstanding performance from his supporting cast. And that again falls under the notion that Quinn couldn't develop his way with meaningful snaps into a QB that could do the exact same thing if not better (win games in a support, game manager role). It's a tremendous longshot.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There is a minimal chance assuming everything falls into place and Cassel has an outstanding performance from his supporting cast. And that again falls under the notion that Quinn couldn't develop his way with meaningful snaps into a QB that could do the exact same thing if not better (win games in a support, game manager role). It's a tremendous longshot.

Quinn has been in the league for 5 ****ing years and dumped by 2 teams. He's a ****ing bust.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Quinn doesn't have very much starting experience. Which again begs the question, given his past experiences, if you give him some real NFL snaps can he fast-track development to become better than Cassel? I think he absolutely can.

Is Quinn better than Cassel today? No. But given that Cassel has had a bajillion chances to gain that experience, it's hard for an inexperienced guy to be.

It's the age-old problem - how can someone become "experienced" without ever being put into a position to gain said experience?

Look, if it were close, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But it's not. Quinn is light years away from where Cassel is, especially when it comes to this offense.

They brought in Daboll for a reason - pound the ball, spread it around with short passes, and don't turn it over. It's the same formula as 2010. And for that formula, Cassel is 1000 times better than Quinn. I absolutely agree with you that Cassel has proven he can't make the big play. But Cassel has also proven that he can avoid the big mistake. In his albeit short playing career, Quinn hasn't shown that. Quite the opposite actually.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Quinn has been in the league for 5 ****ing years and dumped by 2 teams. He's a ****ing bust.

Cassel has been starting for almost 5 ****ing years and has experience on top of that and still tops off as mediocre.

I'm not saying he's the answer. But Cassel has a body of work that says he's DEFINITELY not the answer.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Cassel has been starting for almost 5 ****ing years and has experience on top of that and still tops off as mediocre.

I'm not saying he's the answer. But Cassel has a body of work that says he's DEFINITELY not the answer.

This is like a never ending circle of stupid. I'm done.

Good luck. Have fun. Etc...

[boogblaster]

as the circle-jerks

[pimpchief]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

The only one I would want is Bradford. Schaub is always hurt and Flacco is no better than Cassel.

Flacco is a pretty his quarterback, I've been watching him, he really adapts well to games.

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Because Stanzi was selected in the 5th ****ing round and wasn't an elite prospect. There's a huge difference. If you can't see the difference between the #1 pick and a 5th round pick then you are a ****ing moron.

Stanzi has to earn his shot on the field and he hasn't earned shit but the back seat.

If I have a quarterback that I know is a fail, why does the unknown quarterback have to earn his shot? We can bang our heads against the wall and hope Cassel will get better despite evidence he still plays the same as he did when he got to KC. Or when Cassel fails again, we can try something else.

Its pretty clear Stanzi isn't ready now, but why stick with Cassel just because he got his shot four years ago and we haven't found someone else to replace him because Pioli isn't really trying to do that? The one on the short leash should be Cassel. If we get to the middle of the season and are struggling, Cassel should be benched. If Stanzi isn't deemed ready yet, go with Quinn. Don't stay with the sinking ship. There's no need to stay with Cassel just so we can finish 7-9 again.

If Cassel is the best we have right now, the bar is set. It should be playoffs and a playoff victory or he's gone. Its pretty harsh to say Stanzi is a bust in his first real training camp when he hasn't had any time with the first unit. I can give all the excuses for Stanzi that Cassel has gotten all these years. Stanzi was a 5th, Cassel was a 7th who probably wouldn't have been even drafted by any other team. He's Pioli's baby, but if Cassel can't cut it, you gotta let that go.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by jd1020

****ing Alex Smith should have been in the SB and that was just last year.

No, ****ing Alex Smith should not have been in the SB.

1 for 13 in third down passing in the NFC Championship game.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by milkman

No, ****ing Alex Smith should not have been in the SB.

1 for 13 in third down passing in the NFC Championship game.

Both QBs sucked in that game. Smith had 2 impressive TD drives and the only reason they weren't in the SB was because they muffed 2 punts and lost them both.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Both QBs sucked in that game. Smith had 2 impressive TD drives and the only reason they weren't in the SB was because they muffed 2 punts and lost them both.

Eli Manning made two huge third down conversions when they had to have them.

Alex Smith failed in every opportunity.

The fumbled punts are pointed to as the reason for the loss, but the bottom line is that, when either team needed to have their QB come up big against an outstanding defense, only one did, and that QB went to the SB.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by milkman

Eli Manning made two huge third down conversions when they had to have them.

Alex Smith failed in every opportunity.

The fumbled punts are pointed to as the reason for the loss, but the bottom line is that, when either team needed to have their QB come up big against an outstanding defense, only one did, and that QB went to the SB.

Not sure how Smith failed at every opportunity. He led a game leading drive late in the 3rd. Only to watch the lead slip away as Eli was given back the ball on a muffed punt. Then he led a game tying FG drive. Only to have that wiped out by another muffed punt at the end of the game and they never got the ball back.

But, w/e. Alex Smith failed...