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Old 09-15-2012, 09:43 PM   #1
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Not even close to garbage. What a silly statement.



Here's were we disagree.

Nirvana was like an angry Cheap Trick. Great songs and a great singer that wrote lyrics that connected with the disaffected.

They didn't break any new ground musically and didn't inspire a trend. I think Green Day had way more influence over Pop/Rock in the 90's than Nirvana but that's partially due to Cobain's suicide.

On a side note, Dave and the Foo's, especially their recent records, have meant exponentially more to me than Nirvana.
I respectfully disagree. Nirvana isn't my favorite grunge band from the era but they did start it. They most definately inpsired a trend. Look back at Soundgarden and Pearl Jams popularity before Nirvana. Nothing. After... huge. If you don't credit Nirvana as starting the trend then you weren't paying attention.
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I respectfully disagree. Nirvana isn't my favorite grunge band from the era but they did start it. They most definately inpsired a trend. Look back at Soundgarden and Pearl Jams popularity before Nirvana. Nothing. After... huge. If you don't credit Nirvana as starting the trend then you weren't paying attention.
I had 'Louder Than Love' in 1990, and bought '10' and 'Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge' before Nevermind in 1991.

So when Teen Spirit hit, it was the world COMING TO ME, even more than basking in the emergence of a new trend.
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Old 09-15-2012, 09:57 PM   #3
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I had 'Louder Than Love' in 1990, and bought '10' and 'Every Good Boy Deserves Fudge' before Nevermind in 1991.

So when Teen Spirit hit, it was the world COMING TO ME, even more than basking in the emergence of a new trend.
I think you're agreeing with me here. Nirvana did stuff before "Nevermind." None of it re-defined music for it's time.
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I think you're agreeing with me here. Nirvana did stuff before "Nevermind." None of it re-defined music for it's time.
Sorry, I thought was bragging about being ahead of the curve.
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Old 09-15-2012, 10:06 PM   #5
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Nirvana isn't my favorite grunge band from the era but they did start it.
No, they didn't.

The Seattle sound had been developing for the latter half of the 80's. Bands like Green River, Mudhoney and Soundgarden and so on. Soundgarden's "Badmotorfinger" was released in 1991 as well. The quintessential album of the 90's, IMO was Temple of the Dog, and it was released in 1990.

Pearl Jam was created from the bones of Green River and Mother Love Bone. While I believe that Pearl Jam ecompasses all that is early 90's "Grunge", Nirvana didn't start the trend.

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They most definately inpsired a trend. Look back at Soundgarden and Pearl Jams popularity before Nirvana. Nothing. After... huge. If you don't credit Nirvana as starting the trend then you weren't paying attention.
Again, I fully disagree. And as far as "paying attention", you couldn't be further from the truth, especially since I began working for Uni in 1993.
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No, they didn't.

The Seattle sound had been developing for the latter half of the 80's. Bands like Green River, Mudhoney and Soundgarden and so on. Soundgarden's "Badmotorfinger" was released in 1991 as well. The quintessential album of the 90's, IMO was Temple of the Dog, and it was released in 1990.

Pearl Jam was created from the bones of Green River and Mother Love Bone. While I believe that Pearl Jam ecompasses all that is early 90's "Grunge", Nirvana didn't start the trend.



Again, I fully disagree. And as far as "paying attention", you couldn't be further from the truth, especially since I began working for Uni in 1993.
MBL is more of an LA metal sound than Seattle Grunge. Mudhoney was indeed a pioneer, as was TotD, but the sound first emerged on SG's 'Louder than Love' in 1990.

However, until the first showing of Teen Spirit on MTV, those acts were music geeks' little secrets. So Nirvana 'started the era' in the sense of authoritatively announcing its arrival and dominance for the next 5 years. A week before, Guns 'n' Roses were undisputed and deserved cocks of the walk.
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However, until the first showing of Teen Spirit on MTV, those acts were music geeks' little secrets. So Nirvana 'started the era' in the sense of authoritatively announcing its arrival and dominance for the next 5 years. A week before, Guns 'n' Roses were undisputed and deserved cocks of the walk.
And IMO, Nirvana was just an extension of Guns 'N Roses, to the extent that it was about the visuals, the frontman, etc.

They were Cheap Trick for the 90's. And by that, I don't mean to insult Cheap Trick, which is a phenomenal band.
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And IMO, Nirvana was just an extension of Guns 'N Roses, to the extent that it was about the visuals, the frontman, etc.

They were Cheap Trick for the 90's. And by that, I don't mean to insult Cheap Trick, which is a phenomenal band.
Honestly Dane, these are the words of someone who looks at music as a product to be marketed with no conception of the actual worth of the content.

You're coming off like Barton Fink's producers here.
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Honestly Dane, these are the words of someone who looks at music as a product to be marketed with no conception of the actual worth of the content.

You're coming off like Barton Fink's producers here.
Two words: Geffen Records.
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Two words: Geffen Records.
You tell them: BULLSHIT! We do NOT make B music here at Geffin. Let's put a stop to that rumor RIGHT now!
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No, they didn't.

The Seattle sound had been developing for the latter half of the 80's. Bands like Green River, Mudhoney and Soundgarden and so on. Soundgarden's "Badmotorfinger" was released in 1991 as well. The quintessential album of the 90's, IMO was Temple of the Dog, and it was released in 1990.

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Again, I fully disagree. And as far as "paying attention", you couldn't be further from the truth, especially since I began working for Uni in 1993.
Yes Nirvana did. I don't care what other bands did before them. Nirvana changed the landscape. Those other bands didn't. It's pretty simple.

Show me where your other examples changed the landscape of music... then or ever.
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Yes Nirvana did. I don't care what other bands did before them. Nirvana changed the landscape. Those other bands didn't. It's pretty simple.
No, they didn't.

You know who changed the "Landscape"? Geffen Records.

Not Nirvana.
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No, they didn't.

You know who changed the "Landscape"? Geffen Records.

Not Nirvana.


Some people here just argue so they can look smart in their own minds. Show me the Geffen Records album genius.
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Some people here just argue so they can look smart in their own minds. Show me the Geffen Records album genius.
Joking, right?

How long have you been in this business that you don't know that Geffen broke Nirvana?

JFC Dude, half the A&R people in this town were fired after Nirvana blew up because they had all heard Bleach and dismissed it as crap!

Seriously, you're out of your element. If you'd like me to embarrass you, fine. That wasn't my original intention.
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Joking, right?

How long have you been in this business that you don't know that Geffen broke Nirvana?

JFC Dude, half the A&R people in this town were fired after Nirvana blew up because they had all heard Bleach and dismissed it as crap!

Seriously, you're out of your element. If you'd like me to embarrass you, fine. That wasn't my original intention.
This was never and isnt about labels dumbass. But if thats the card you have to play then go for it. Whatever makes you feel your arguement is right.

I've seen stupid before... then I've seen CP morons fighting to the last possible point.
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