Kent Babb dismantles Fat Scott

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

you cant say there is talent on this team and then say Pioli sucks. If Pioli sucks its because there is NO talent, and hes done a piss poor job of adding talent

you cant have it both ways, its either his fault this team lacks talent or it isnt

I say it is, his drafts are all a bunch of smoke and mirrors and are actually 4 terrible years of drafting if you break down. 2 good players a couple of role players and no impact players or playmakers and then the rest scrubs. Thats not talent

You can have it both ways.

There is plenty of talent. We just have a head coach and QB who are seriously undermining the talent that we have.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You can have it both ways.

There is plenty of talent. We just have a head coach and QB who are seriously undermining the talent that we have.

Mucho agreement.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You can have it both ways.

There is plenty of talent. We just have a head coach and QB who are seriously undermining the talent that we have.

thats a tough call to make to claim this is some sort of rare 49ers-like situation.

you dont know that unless they would get the right coach in here, and that is like fitting a square peg in a round hole. Who is the perfect hire to make all this "talent" as you put it fit?

and the true test of if the wagons fall off this team is who stays or leaves for FA in the biggest offseason of Pioli's Chiefs career coming up. That alone will be telling of how much talent we have left

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

thats a tough call to make to claim this is some sort of rare 49ers-like situation.

you dont know that unless they would get the right coach in here, and that is like fitting a square peg in a round hole. Who is the perfect hire to make all this "talent" as you put it fit?

and the true test of if the wagons fall off this team is who stays or leaves for FA in the biggest offseason of Pioli's Chiefs career coming up. That alone will be telling of how much talent we have left

It's not a rare 49ers-like situation.

We saw how good our defense was to close last season. We saw how efficiently we could move the ball even with an average QB like Orton (he couldn't score in the red zone, but he moved the ball very efficiently).

I dont' know why people forget that this team despite bottom 5 players at QB and RB were playing very good football the second half of the year.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's not a rare 49ers-like situation.

We saw how good our defense was to close last season. We saw how efficiently we could move the ball even with an average QB like Orton (he couldn't score in the red zone, but he moved the ball very efficiently).

I dont' know why people forget that this team despite bottom 5 players at QB and RB were playing very good football the second half of the year.

The Royals will carry that second-half momentum into next year.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's not a rare 49ers-like situation.

We saw how good our defense was to close last season. We saw how efficiently we could move the ball even with an average QB like Orton (he couldn't score in the red zone, but he moved the ball very efficiently).

I dont' know why people forget that this team despite bottom 5 players at QB and RB were playing very good football the second half of the year.

i don't know why you're hung up on last year...

there's nothing about the last 4 games that make them anything but one offs...

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

It's not a rare 49ers-like situation.

We saw how good our defense was to close last season. We saw how efficiently we could move the ball even with an average QB like Orton (he couldn't score in the red zone, but he moved the ball very efficiently).

I dont' know why people forget that this team despite bottom 5 players at QB and RB were playing very good football the second half of the year.

but I was talking TALENT added by Pioli only in terms of drafting.

Any GM could add a veteran like Orton and our momentum last season was carried by a core group of guys that WERE NOT drafted by Pioli. And I am saying that talent will slowly start to leave the Chiefs (i.e. like Carr) and Pioli in 4 years has done a poor job to replenish their voids with playmakers of equal value.

Who will replace Bowe, Albert, Dorsey? Who replaces Carr? These are answers Pioli has done a poor job of addressing and next offseason will be the biggest test if it blows up in his face

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

but I was talking TALENT added by Pioli only in terms of drafting.

Any GM could add a veteran like Orton and our momentum last season was carried by a core group of guys that WERE NOT drafted by Pioli. And I am saying that talent will slowly start to leave the Chiefs (i.e. like Carr) and Pioli in 4 years has done a poor job to replenish their voids with playmakers of equal value.

Who will replace Bowe, Albert, Dorsey? Who replaces Carr? These are answers Pioli has done a poor job of addressing and next offseason will be the biggest test if it blows up in his face

We have 2 terrific RBs. A solid receiver corps including a superstar as our #1. We have two solid receiving tight ends. And to boot, we saw behind Kyle Orton that behind a real QB, the offensive line is actually very good at protection -- they gave up ONE measly sack last year in Orton's 4 games.

Our offensive talent isn't all-world. But are you seriously going to tell me that John Harbaugh and Alex Smith couldn't turn this offense into an efficient one? Or an average coach and Aaron Rodgers couldn't?

As for our defense, we saw how good they were. But those were the days when our defense wanted to hit people in the mouth. Now they look too finessed. And the moronic decision not to hire a DC is killing us. Don't know if you saw Merrill Hoge's analysis on ESPN where he was showing how our players were constantly getting picked off in 1-on-1. DJ looks unfocused. Hali looks out of shape. And we went from starting a veteran nose tackle to a rookie who we know is going to take 3 years to develop.

If you replace Romeo with Harbaugh, put Romeo back into a DC role, and changed Cassel to at least a top 10 QB... are you really going to tell me this team isn't a serious contender?