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ShowtimeSBMVP · 09-18-2012, 11:31 AM

Pioli says Chiefs can turn around after 0-2 start
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Like seemingly much of Kansas City, general manager Scott Pioli is more than a little stunned by the Chiefs’ 0-2 start.

But Pioli said Tuesday that his confidence in the Chiefs is not shaken and he remains convinced the Chiefs can still make something of their season.

“If any one of us knew what the answer was, we wouldn’t be sitting where we’re sitting right now,” Pioli said. “But I also don’t think it’s the end of the world. We have 14 games left. We’re certainly digging a hole but it’s not something we can’t get out of. Everyone within the organization is disappointed in the results so far. We’re all surprised because I don’t think any one of us went into the season thinking we would be 0-2. I don’t think any of us anticipated that.

“(He expects the Chiefs) to improve, get better and start winning some games in whatever order that is. Those are my expectations, but I want to be clear those are mine and our expectations. I think those are the players’ expectations, the coaching staff, the fan base. Our expectations at the beginning of this year were that we were going to be winning games. Right now, we haven’t done that. (But) we’re two games into a 16-game season.”

The Chiefs are one of six 0-2 teams in the NFL, but they weren’t close to winning either game. Their scoring differential of minus-34 points is second-worst in the league behind only Tennessee.

As the general manager, Pioli built the roster. Asked whether he was guilty of overestimating the abilities of some of the Chiefs’ players, Pioli said, “We think the roster is good enough. I think it is. Now it comes down to executing. We improved this team through free agency and did quite a bit of spending to improve this team whether it was contract extensions or the signing of other players. Time will tell if it was enough. I think it was.”

Regarding their spending, figures supplied by the NFL Players Association showed the Chiefs to have more than $26 million in available room under the league’s salary cap. Pioli said he didn’t regret not using more of that available cap space when the Chiefs built their roster.

“I think there are things we did do that helped this football team,” Pioli said. “I also know for a fact that this year alone we’re spending over $141 million in cash this year. That’s more than $20 million over the cap.

“It’s been proven time and time again that there’s not a direct correlation between spending cap dollars and winning. There’s not.”

Pioli said the Chiefs would need to allocate some of their available 2012 salary cap space toward the 2013 cap. He didn’t provide 2013 cap figures, but his comments indicate the Chiefs might otherwise be snug against the cap next season.

“We had better have cap room this year to roll over for next year to make sure we’re (in good shape),” Pioli said. “(Using available salary cap space) is not a year-by-year, fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants thing.

Pioli during the offseason also hired Romeo Crennel as head coach, promoting him from defensive coordinator. Crennel finished last season as the interim coach. The Chiefs went 2-1 in those games and fell just short of making the playoffs and completing a dramatic turnaround.

Crennel remains the defensive coordinator this season as well. But the poor play of the Chiefs’ defense is a big reason for the 0-2 start. They have allowed 75 points, which is tied for worst in the league.

Asked whether Crennel was the right coach to direct the Chiefs out of their hole, Pioli said, “Absolutely he is. I think he’s doing a good job. I really do.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/09/18...#storylink=cpy

Black Bob · 09-18-2012, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Bullshit.

And it's spelled negotiations. This is second time I've seen you misspell the word.

Carr's agent and Pioli could have negotiated a contract, which Carr could have signed the minute the season was over.

It didn't happen.

The reason he was tendered was so that he wouldn't go anywhere and the Chiefs could continue to negotiate. He was absolutely right to give him the First Round Tender, otherwise, he could have walked without ANY compensation.

JFC.

It looks to me like you just researched some of this which is a good thing. There is no reason to be rude man. I treated you with respect in my reply. However, I didn't explain the tender process in detail.

Maybe the most important thing that is being left out is that after he was tendered, we could only offer him up to 120% of his tender salary the following year (2012). This is the only offer we could make before free agency began and he wasn't going to take that. The new cba is designed to set players free.

Pioli blew it when we tendered him.

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/2/15...ive-bargaining

saphojunkie · 09-18-2012, 02:59 PM

My question is, will Pioli be saying that we can turn around after an 0-3 start? How about 0-4 after San Diego gets revenge for The Worst Day Evah.

How about going to Tampa Bay? There's absolutely, positively, without a question, ZERO reason to think we will or even CAN win any of those games.

saphojunkie · 09-18-2012, 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackBob

It looks to me like you just researched some of this which is a good thing. There is no reason to be rude man. I treated you with respect in my reply. However, I didn't explain the tender process in detail.

Maybe the most important thing that is being left out is that after he was tendered, we could only offer him up to 120% of his tender salary the following year (2012). This is the only offer we could make before free agency began and he wasn't going to take that. The new cba is designed to set players free.

Pioli blew it when we tendered him.

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/2/15...ive-bargaining

Your link is purely about unrestricted free agents. Carr was a restricted free agent going into the 2011 season. He became an unrestricted free agent following the 2011 season.

**BossChief** · 09-18-2012, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If true, $7 million is an insult.

Fine, then throw in the 2014 first rounder. I don't care to debate value. The point is that Pioli should have given up the ****ing farm to draft RGIII.

I couldn't care less about some "mythical" first round lineman that would somehow save the day.

Dallas started their negotiations with Carr at 7 million per year, too.

That was reported in Dallas news multiple times and after Carr signed there, he said that the Jets (Revis and Carr would have been sick with Cro in the nickel role) and two other teams were in it, but that he never wanted to leave Dallas because that's where he wanted to play since he was a kid.

Those teams drove the price from 7/yr to over 10/yr.

Shortly after he signed, Jerry Jones said he "overpaid" for Carr before retracting and changing his wording to "paid market value".

I was in the group that wanted to sell the farm.

I was merely pointing out that that it was gonna take a lot more than you suggested.

FAX · 09-18-2012, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by saphojunkie

My question is, will Pioli be saying that we can turn around after an 0-3 start? How about 0-4 after San Diego gets revenge for The Worst Day Evah.

How about going to Tampa Bay? There's absolutely, positively, without a question, ZERO reason to think we will or even CAN win any of those games.

After the Bills game, I realized that we may well not win a game before the bye. If we continue to play the way we've been playing, we're likely to be swept by the West.

But for now, what can Pioli say? He's done the "its' a process" schtick and his "process" is, apparently, some sort of high-speed railway to hell and gone.

I suppose after we're 0 and 5 or something, he'll start talking about how Haley screwed the team up so badly it will require many years to repair ... something like that.

FAX

saphojunkie · 09-18-2012, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX

After the Bills game, I realized that we may well not win a game before the bye. If we continue to play the way we've been playing, we're likely to be swept by the West.

But for now, what can Pioli say? He's done the "its' a process" schtick and his "process" is, apparently, some sort of high-speed railway to hell and gone.

I suppose after we're 0 and 5 or something, he'll start talking about how Haley screwed the team up so badly it will require many years to repair ... something like that.

FAX

My advice? Start drinking. Heavily.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 09-18-2012, 03:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackBob

It looks to me like you just researched some of this which is a good thing. There is no reason to be rude man. I treated you with respect in my reply. However, I didn't explain the tender process in detail.

Maybe the most important thing that is being left out is that after he was tendered, we could only offer him up to 120% of his tender salary the following year (2012). This is the only offer we could make before free agency began and he wasn't going to take that. The new cba is designed to set players free.

Pioli blew it when we tendered him.

http://www.cincyjungle.com/2012/2/15...ive-bargaining

I don't see where Dane was rude. Explain Dumbass!

**BossChief** · 09-18-2012, 03:11 PM

Cassel will get benched at halftime of the Bucs game.

**BossChief** · 09-18-2012, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

I don't see where Dane was rude. Explain Dumbass!

Bob is kinda like Cassel at this point.

Dane has ran a couple well orchestrated blitzes on him and now he is seeing phantom pressure.

BoneKrusher · 09-18-2012, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

Cassel will get benched at halftime of the Bucs game.

i agree,
if he dont get injured before the half.

suzzer99 · 09-18-2012, 03:28 PM

The marginal difference between Carr and Routt is not in the top 50 Chiefs problems right now. Stop being emotional twits because you lost a favorite toy. Try to focus. The problem is Cassel, Pioli, Romeo.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-18-2012, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackBob

It looks to me like you just researched some of this which is a good thing.

You're an idiot.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-18-2012, 03:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

Dallas started their negotiations with Carr at 7 million per year, too.

That's cool. I don't really care to argue or discuss this subject because what's done is done.

The bottom line is that had the Chiefs stepped up to the plate, Carr would be a Chief.

They didn't. End of story.

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-18-2012, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suzzer99

The marginal difference between Carr and Routt is not in the top 50 Chiefs problems right now. Stop being emotional twits because you lost a favorite toy. Try to focus. The problem is Cassel, Pioli, Romeo.

The point isn't Carr vs. Routt, it's writing a pair of $25 million dollar checks in the form of guaranteed money to both Carr & Bowe.

The mere fact that this didn't happen proves that Clark Hunt is cheap, regardless of "cash spent".

lcarus · 09-18-2012, 03:38 PM

I don't know if this is hugely off-topic or not, but it doesn't seem like we have much of an Arrowhead advantage anymore. Certainly not like we used to. Since I got the Sunday Ticket I've been watching a lot of other games and it seems almost every other team playing at home have louder crowds. I'm talking about the last few years. I guess our fans are just getting fed up?

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ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1306009	Pioli says Chiefs can turn around after 0-2 start Pioli says Chiefs can turn around after 0-2 start By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Like seemingly much of Kansas City, general manager Scott Pioli is more than a little stunned by the Chiefs’ 0-2 start. But Pioli said Tuesday that his confidence in the Chiefs is not shaken and he remains convinced the Chiefs can still make something of their season. “If any one of us knew what the answer was, we wouldn’t be sitting where we’re sitting right now,” Pioli said. “But I also don’t think it’s the end of the world. We have 14 games left. We’re certainly digging a hole but it’s not something we can’t get out of. Everyone within the organization is disappointed in the results so far. We’re all surprised because I don’t think any one of us went into the season thinking we would be 0-2. I don’t think any of us anticipated that. “(He expects the Chiefs) to improve, get better and start winning some games in whatever order that is. Those are my expectations, but I want to be clear those are mine and our expectations. I think those are the players’ expectations, the coaching staff, the fan base. Our expectations at the beginning of this year were that we were going to be winning games. Right now, we haven’t done that. (But) we’re two games into a 16-game season.” The Chiefs are one of six 0-2 teams in the NFL, but they weren’t close to winning either game. Their scoring differential of minus-34 points is second-worst in the league behind only Tennessee. As the general manager, Pioli built the roster. Asked whether he was guilty of overestimating the abilities of some of the Chiefs’ players, Pioli said, “We think the roster is good enough. I think it is. Now it comes down to executing. We improved this team through free agency and did quite a bit of spending to improve this team whether it was contract extensions or the signing of other players. Time will tell if it was enough. I think it was.” Regarding their spending, figures supplied by the NFL Players Association showed the Chiefs to have more than $26 million in available room under the league’s salary cap. Pioli said he didn’t regret not using more of that available cap space when the Chiefs built their roster. “I think there are things we did do that helped this football team,” Pioli said. “I also know for a fact that this year alone we’re spending over $141 million in cash this year. That’s more than $20 million over the cap. “It’s been proven time and time again that there’s not a direct correlation between spending cap dollars and winning. There’s not.” Pioli said the Chiefs would need to allocate some of their available 2012 salary cap space toward the 2013 cap. He didn’t provide 2013 cap figures, but his comments indicate the Chiefs might otherwise be snug against the cap next season. “We had better have cap room this year to roll over for next year to make sure we’re (in good shape),” Pioli said. “(Using available salary cap space) is not a year-by-year, fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants thing. Pioli during the offseason also hired Romeo Crennel as head coach, promoting him from defensive coordinator. Crennel finished last season as the interim coach. The Chiefs went 2-1 in those games and fell just short of making the playoffs and completing a dramatic turnaround. Crennel remains the defensive coordinator this season as well. But the poor play of the Chiefs’ defense is a big reason for the 0-2 start. They have allowed 75 points, which is tied for worst in the league. Asked whether Crennel was the right coach to direct the Chiefs out of their hole, Pioli said, “Absolutely he is. I think he’s doing a good job. I really do.” Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/09/18...#storylink=cpy
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saphojunkie MVP Join Date: Aug 2011 Casino cash: $2346550	My question is, will Pioli be saying that we can turn around after an 0-3 start? How about 0-4 after San Diego gets revenge for The Worst Day Evah. How about going to Tampa Bay? There's absolutely, positively, without a question, ZERO reason to think we will or even CAN win any of those games.
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lcarus Everybody Lies. Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: 22 Acacia Avenue Casino cash: $-1749887	I don't know if this is hugely off-topic or not, but it doesn't seem like we have much of an Arrowhead advantage anymore. Certainly not like we used to. Since I got the Sunday Ticket I've been watching a lot of other games and it seems almost every other team playing at home have louder crowds. I'm talking about the last few years. I guess our fans are just getting fed up?
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