Nightfyre's initial QB rankings

Nightfyre · 12:00 PM

My current QB rankings:
1) Geno Smith
t2) Tyler Wilson
t2) Matt Barkley
4) Logan Thomas
5) EJ Manuel
6) Aaron Murray
7) AJ McCarron
8) Tyler Bray
9) Landry Jones

Just thought you might all like to know.
Just to keep the record straight, my history is as follows:
2009: I was on the draft Sanchez bandwagon
2010: I was on the draft Bradford/Clausen bandwagon
2011: I was against Cam Newton and Jake Locker, but on board with Gabbert, Ponder and Mallett in the second AND third
2012: I was on the Andrew Luck bandwagon in early 2011 and was probably one of the first here to get on the RGIII bandwagon. I also proposed drafting Russell Wilson in the third and was among his biggest advocates here.

Direckshun · 09-24-2012, 03:58 PM

Not a big fan of Bray? Really?

I too was on the Sanchez and Clausen wagons. I did not like Bradford.

In 2011, I was not in favor of getting a QB in the 1st. I wasn't that crazy about it in 2012 either, but I sure liked making the necessary move from the 2nd to land Brandon Weeden.

Saccopoo · 09-24-2012, 06:37 PM

1. Geno Smith, West Virginia
2. Tyler Wilson, Arkansas
3. Matt Barkley, USC
4. Lance Jones, Oklahoma
5. Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech
6. Aaron Murray, Georgia
7. Tyler Bray, Tennessee
8. Ryan Nassib, Syracuse
9. Mike Glennon, North Carolina
10. Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah

Geno Smith, and it's not close. Smith has an uncanny feel for the game, possessing a remarkable pocket presence, strength, one of the quickest releases I've ever seen at the college level, amazing accuracy, strong arm, excellent athleticism, etc. He's a tough guy and a winner. I like him as much as Luck and Griffin last year, and feel he's a combination of both.

Wilson I like a lot, and I think he's got a lot of talent for the next level, but the two concussions scare the hell out of me.

At least to me, Barkley and Jones are about the same guy. The potential for very good/great game managers for teams with good defenses already in place. (And I think both would be good additions for this Chiefs team. Definite upgrade to Cassel.)

Logan Thomas and Aaron Murray are about the same player, with the exception of size. Thomas is huge and Murray is small. But both can be terrific when on and pretty bad when they are off - and both happen with regularity.

Bray has the arm, but he apparently acts like an entitled kid. His coach has already said he needs to grow up and this past summer he was bombing beer bottles at cars in his apartment complex.

Nassib is a stout QB who has put up really good numbers in his career. I'm surprised he isn't getting more attention around here as an option if the Chiefs go other than QB in the first round. (Though, in most peoples minds, there isn't much other options than a QB in 2013.) I thought that he looked every bit as good as Barkley in their week two matchup this season.

Glennon has a ton of potential. He's got a big arm and can really work the field. He's big and athletic as well. He forces things sometimes though.

Sorensen has prototype size (6'5", 235 lb.), maturity (red shirt BYU transfer), and has a very good arm. Not as mobile, he'll have to go to a team that runs a true pocket QB type offense. The potential for a late round steal here.

And to follow Nightfrye's lead:

2009: I thought Sanchez was okay, but didn't warrant a top ten pick.
2010: Really liked Bradford and loathed Clausen.
2011: Loved Cam Newton, and really wanted the Chiefs to have the opportunity to pick Ponder as I thought he would be a perfect fit for this team.
2012: If you didn't love Luck your were and idiot. Griffin is terrific, but scares me a bit with his play. I think he's going to get killed. He's a smaller version of Steve Young, IMO.

Nightfyre · 09-24-2012, 07:29 PM

I thought my position on Bray would be an eye-catcher. The thing that gets me is that incident where he and his buddy threw beer bottles at his neighbor's car. That screams poor judgement and leadership, even if under the influence of alcohol. Plus he has a really wonky release which causes him to be inconsistent/inaccurate.

Logan Thomas intrigues me a lot because that dude can spin it, even in the face of pressure, but he doesn't go through many progressions which is a red flag that knocks him down the list.

Sorter · 09-24-2012, 08:20 PM

1. Geno Smith
2. Tyler Wilson
3. Matt Barkley
4. Tyler Bray
5. AJ McCarron
6. Aaron Murray
7. Casey Pachall

Haven't watched a bunch of Pachall, but he has looked like a much better passer Jones or Thomas to this point.

AJ McCarron is the surprise of the year behind Geno Smith (for those who didn't think he'd be a top 15 pick) IMO. He's grown from a game manager to a leader. Hopefully next year he continues to get better and develops into a top 10 pick. Gutsy, looks downfield, good pocket presence, and smart. Doesn't have the biggest arm, but can make deep outs and comebacks, so I don't really have a problem with arm strength.

pimpchief · 09-24-2012, 08:25 PM

I like bray more than Barkley.

Bewbies · 09-24-2012, 08:30 PM

Smith, Wilson, Barkley then Bray. That's the top 4, but there's a pretty wide gap there..

Sorter · 09-24-2012, 08:54 PM

^^Yup. Although, I think if Wilson could have made through the year unscathed the gap would be closer. However, Smith is without a doubt the best QB prospect IMO.

Bewbies · 09-25-2012, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sorter

^^Yup. Although, I think if Wilson could have made through the year unscathed the gap would be closer. However, Smith is without a doubt the best QB prospect IMO.

I think the fall of Arkansas makes the case Wilson is pretty damn good. Bray hasn't lifted his shitty team up, and Barkley has a roster than is better at every position than the team they line up against each week. Both of those are big negatives in my mind...

Chiefnj2 · 09-25-2012, 09:28 AM

My observations:
1. Jones - Sucks. Seriously, I can't fathom why anyone would bother to discuss him being a 3rd round pick, let alone a first. He is Cassel. Perfect pocket he can dump it off, otherwise inaccurate and lack of pocket presence.

2. Bray - Reminds me a bit of Cutler. Strong arm. Makes some wow throws and then some real head scratching decisions. He should stay in school and work on his decision making/progressions, etc.

3. Wilson - Hard to judge this year. Apparently he's the glue that keeps them competitive. Has had some picks that remind me of Trent Green in year 1 with KC. Hard to tell if it is him or receiver making errors. For the most part he looks good, but the head injuries leave you with a sour stomach.

4. Barkley - Looks like a typical USC QB when playing most competition - good command of a talented team, accurate, decent (not great by any stretch) arm, good on rollouts. But against Stanford's pressure, he couldn't make much happen.

**the Talking Can** · 09-25-2012, 02:16 PM

so which d-bag is Bray?

Raperburger (yes)
Cutler (yes...shit what have we done)
Leaf (no)

**the Talking Can** · 09-25-2012, 02:17 PM

I wouldn't draft Jones, surprised by the Murray love

there is something missing with him i can't put my finger on...

Nightfyre · 09-25-2012, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

I wouldn't draft Jones, surprised by the Murray love

there is something missing with him i can't put my finger on...

Consistency.

jspchief · 09-25-2012, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

4. Lance Jones, Oklahoma

Why do you keep calling him Lance?

jd1020 · 09-25-2012, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Why do you keep calling him Lance?

Faster to spell out his 5 letter nickname than his 6 letter name?

09-24-2012, 11:53 AM
Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $2288849	Nightfyre's initial QB rankings My current QB rankings: 1) Geno Smith t2) Tyler Wilson t2) Matt Barkley 4) Logan Thomas 5) EJ Manuel 6) Aaron Murray 7) AJ McCarron 8) Tyler Bray 9) Landry Jones Just thought you might all like to know. Just to keep the record straight, my history is as follows: 2009: I was on the draft Sanchez bandwagon 2010: I was on the draft Bradford/Clausen bandwagon 2011: I was against Cam Newton and Jake Locker, but on board with Gabbert, Ponder and Mallett in the second AND third 2012: I was on the Andrew Luck bandwagon in early 2011 and was probably one of the first here to get on the RGIII bandwagon. I also proposed drafting Russell Wilson in the third and was among his biggest advocates here. Last edited by Nightfyre; 09-24-2012 at 12:00 PM..
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09-24-2012, 03:58 PM	#2
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $3203447	Not a big fan of Bray? Really? I too was on the Sanchez and Clausen wagons. I did not like Bradford. In 2011, I was not in favor of getting a QB in the 1st. I wasn't that crazy about it in 2012 either, but I sure liked making the necessary move from the 2nd to land Brandon Weeden.
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09-24-2012, 06:37 PM	#3
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	1. Geno Smith, West Virginia 2. Tyler Wilson, Arkansas 3. Matt Barkley, USC 4. Lance Jones, Oklahoma 5. Logan Thomas, Virginia Tech 6. Aaron Murray, Georgia 7. Tyler Bray, Tennessee 8. Ryan Nassib, Syracuse 9. Mike Glennon, North Carolina 10. Brad Sorensen, Southern Utah Geno Smith, and it's not close. Smith has an uncanny feel for the game, possessing a remarkable pocket presence, strength, one of the quickest releases I've ever seen at the college level, amazing accuracy, strong arm, excellent athleticism, etc. He's a tough guy and a winner. I like him as much as Luck and Griffin last year, and feel he's a combination of both. Wilson I like a lot, and I think he's got a lot of talent for the next level, but the two concussions scare the hell out of me. At least to me, Barkley and Jones are about the same guy. The potential for very good/great game managers for teams with good defenses already in place. (And I think both would be good additions for this Chiefs team. Definite upgrade to Cassel.) Logan Thomas and Aaron Murray are about the same player, with the exception of size. Thomas is huge and Murray is small. But both can be terrific when on and pretty bad when they are off - and both happen with regularity. Bray has the arm, but he apparently acts like an entitled kid. His coach has already said he needs to grow up and this past summer he was bombing beer bottles at cars in his apartment complex. Nassib is a stout QB who has put up really good numbers in his career. I'm surprised he isn't getting more attention around here as an option if the Chiefs go other than QB in the first round. (Though, in most peoples minds, there isn't much other options than a QB in 2013.) I thought that he looked every bit as good as Barkley in their week two matchup this season. Glennon has a ton of potential. He's got a big arm and can really work the field. He's big and athletic as well. He forces things sometimes though. Sorensen has prototype size (6'5", 235 lb.), maturity (red shirt BYU transfer), and has a very good arm. Not as mobile, he'll have to go to a team that runs a true pocket QB type offense. The potential for a late round steal here. And to follow Nightfrye's lead: 2009: I thought Sanchez was okay, but didn't warrant a top ten pick. 2010: Really liked Bradford and loathed Clausen. 2011: Loved Cam Newton, and really wanted the Chiefs to have the opportunity to pick Ponder as I thought he would be a perfect fit for this team. 2012: If you didn't love Luck your were and idiot. Griffin is terrific, but scares me a bit with his play. I think he's going to get killed. He's a smaller version of Steve Young, IMO. Last edited by Saccopoo; 09-24-2012 at 07:23 PM..
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09-24-2012, 07:29 PM	#4
Nightfyre MVP Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Helena, MT Casino cash: $2288849	I thought my position on Bray would be an eye-catcher. The thing that gets me is that incident where he and his buddy threw beer bottles at his neighbor's car. That screams poor judgement and leadership, even if under the influence of alcohol. Plus he has a really wonky release which causes him to be inconsistent/inaccurate. Logan Thomas intrigues me a lot because that dude can spin it, even in the face of pressure, but he doesn't go through many progressions which is a red flag that knocks him down the list.
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09-24-2012, 08:20 PM	#5
Sorter Caralho Join Date: Sep 2011 Casino cash: $9611474	1. Geno Smith 2. Tyler Wilson 3. Matt Barkley 4. Tyler Bray 5. AJ McCarron 6. Aaron Murray 7. Casey Pachall Haven't watched a bunch of Pachall, but he has looked like a much better passer Jones or Thomas to this point. AJ McCarron is the surprise of the year behind Geno Smith (for those who didn't think he'd be a top 15 pick) IMO. He's grown from a game manager to a leader. Hopefully next year he continues to get better and develops into a top 10 pick. Gutsy, looks downfield, good pocket presence, and smart. Doesn't have the biggest arm, but can make deep outs and comebacks, so I don't really have a problem with arm strength.
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09-24-2012, 08:25 PM	#6
pimpchief Banned Join Date: Aug 2012 Casino cash: $10004900	I like bray more than Barkley.
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09-24-2012, 08:30 PM	#7
Bewbies Ith Fuhtbawl Time Join Date: Apr 2010 Casino cash: $9999900	Smith, Wilson, Barkley then Bray. That's the top 4, but there's a pretty wide gap there..
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09-24-2012, 08:54 PM	#8
Sorter Caralho Join Date: Sep 2011 Casino cash: $9611474	^^Yup. Although, I think if Wilson could have made through the year unscathed the gap would be closer. However, Smith is without a doubt the best QB prospect IMO.
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09-25-2012, 09:28 AM	#10
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $7634388	My observations: 1. Jones - Sucks. Seriously, I can't fathom why anyone would bother to discuss him being a 3rd round pick, let alone a first. He is Cassel. Perfect pocket he can dump it off, otherwise inaccurate and lack of pocket presence. 2. Bray - Reminds me a bit of Cutler. Strong arm. Makes some wow throws and then some real head scratching decisions. He should stay in school and work on his decision making/progressions, etc. 3. Wilson - Hard to judge this year. Apparently he's the glue that keeps them competitive. Has had some picks that remind me of Trent Green in year 1 with KC. Hard to tell if it is him or receiver making errors. For the most part he looks good, but the head injuries leave you with a sour stomach. 4. Barkley - Looks like a typical USC QB when playing most competition - good command of a talented team, accurate, decent (not great by any stretch) arm, good on rollouts. But against Stanford's pressure, he couldn't make much happen. __________________ Mismanaging the clock.
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09-25-2012, 02:16 PM	#11
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $10012208	so which d-bag is Bray? Raperburger (yes) Cutler (yes...shit what have we done) Leaf (no) __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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09-25-2012, 02:17 PM	#12
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $10012208	I wouldn't draft Jones, surprised by the Murray love there is something missing with him i can't put my finger on... __________________ Clark Hunt: "Thank god for the Dominican pool boy"
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