PFF: ReFo: Chiefs @ Saints, Week 3

[mcaj22]

its not just Clay on here. It's majority of CP.

for the last 3 weeks I have read how badly Ryan Lilja sucks for this team and they need to throw the better talent Jeff Allen out there and blah blah blah.

and Ryan Lilja statistically is far and away our best olineman.

That's how much this places knows, so let Clay spout whatever he wants because everyone else puts their foot in their mouth when they try to spew some Chiefs knowledge as well, no different.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

its not just Clay on here. It's majority of CP.

for the last 3 weeks I have read how badly Ryan Lilja sucks for this team and they need to throw the better talent Jeff Allen out there and blah blah blah.

and Ryan Lilja statistically is far and away our best olineman.

That's how much this places knows, so let Clay spout whatever he wants because everyone else puts their foot in their mouth when they try to spew some Chiefs knowledge as well, no different.

TBF, Lilja played much better at center than he has at guard.

However, your point stands true. All Clay did last week was bitch about how Bailey was a bust, and the first game back he proves to be a solid contributor and a leading reason why our nickel package (which we ran the whole game) was successful. He opened up one-on-ones for Houston, was adequate against the run, and was able to provide a much better pass rush from the 3 tech than either Poe or Pitouia had been able to provide.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by Sorter

TBF, Lilja played much better at center than he has at guard.

However, your point stands true. All Clay did last week was bitch about how Bailey was a bust, and the first game back he proves to be a solid contributor and a leading reason why our nickel package (which we ran the whole game) was successful. He opened up one-on-ones for Houston, was adequate against the run, and was able to provide a much better pass rush from the 3 tech than either Poe or Pitouia had been able to provide.

no, Lilja was like one of the few guys to grade out positive in the blowouts too. He's a good veteran that this place writes off because everyone wants and expects Will Shields and Brian Waters at our guard positions.

Jon Asamoah is much worse than Lilja and he gets a pass on here because he's a young talent. Because people on here slob over every Pioli 3rd, 4th and 5th round pick like it's some 1st round talent that Pioli magically evaluated and made a genius pick on. Pioli's drafts are garbage besides 2 players. And that so far has been true and for the foreseeable future will stay true.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

no, Lilja was like one of the few guys to grade out positive in the blowouts too. He's a good veteran that this place writes off because everyone wants and expects Will Shields and Brian Waters at our guard positions.

Jon Asamoah is much worse than Lilja and he gets a pass on here because he's a young talent. Because people on here slob over every Pioli 3rd, 4th and 5th round pick like it's some 1st round talent that Pioli magically evaluated and made a genius pick on. Pioli's drafts are garbage besides 2 players. And that so far has been true and for the foreseeable future will stay true.

You're a fool. Judge his play with your eyes, not the PFF ranking.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by aturnis

You're a fool. Judge his play with your eyes, not the PFF ranking.

are you kidding me. what kind of garbage take is this

so JUSTIN HOUSTONS PFF RANKING IS OKAY AND IS SEEN AS THE END ALL BE ALL of OLBers

but Ryan Lilja's PFF Ranking is not, and we should judge him by our eyes

OKAY. This ****ing place sometimes.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

are you kidding me. what kind of garbage take is this

so JUSTIN HOUSTONS PFF RANKING IS OKAY AND IS SEEN AS THE END ALL BE ALL of OLBers

but Ryan Lilja's PFF Ranking is not, and we should judge him by our eyes

OKAY. This ****ing place sometimes.

If what they say backs up what you see, great. If not, then should you just bow to their opinion? Lilja has shown himself incapable of playing the position at a high level consistently.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by aturnis

If what they say backs up what you see, great. If not, then should you just bow to their opinion? Lilja has shown himself incapable of playing the position at a high level consistently.

so then by your logic

Derrick Johnson and Standford Routt and Jamaal Charles and everyone else on this team sucks too. Because they are also all inconsistent.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by aturnis

You're a fool. Judge his play with your eyes, not the PFF ranking.

My eyes say that Asomoah has struggled mightily this year.

I will also concede that I've noticed Lilja struggling far more in pass-pro than in the run, so perhaps I haven't been giving him credit for what he's doing well in the run game.

But regardless of the PFF rankings, it's not hard to believe that Asomoah has been our worst O-lineman this year. He's been pretty damn awful out there.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

My eyes say that Asomoah has struggled mightily this year.

I will also concede that I've noticed Lilja struggling far more in pass-pro than in the run, so perhaps I haven't been giving him credit for what he's doing well in the run game.

But regardless of the PFF rankings, it's not hard to believe that Asomoah has been our worst O-lineman this year. He's been pretty damn awful out there.

I'll agree with most of this. I'm largely criticizing Lilja as a pass blocker, so he may deserve more credit as a run blocker. Just Can't get over how lost he looks at times.

As for Asamoah, I know he got beat up by Williams against Buffalo, but I don't recall anything horrible from the first game though. That could be my short memory though. I know he looked good this week.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

no, Lilja was like one of the few guys to grade out positive in the blowouts too. He's a good veteran that this place writes off because everyone wants and expects Will Shields and Brian Waters at our guard positions.

Jon Asamoah is much worse than Lilja and he gets a pass on here because he's a young talent. Because people on here slob over every Pioli 3rd, 4th and 5th round pick like it's some 1st round talent that Pioli magically evaluated and made a genius pick on. Pioli's drafts are garbage besides 2 players. And that so far has been true and for the foreseeable future will stay true.

I will say that Lilja has improved from last year, IMO. Particularly during the second half of the season last year.

I think he played better at Center than Guard, and I would be willing to bet most agree with that statement.

[patteeu]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

...and Ryan Lilja statistically is far and away our best olineman.

Over a very small sample size. Don't get too invested in that.