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Old 10-04-2012, 10:39 PM   #1
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Cause winning a superbowl with a final drive is totally not as good as and AFC title game. Where is milkman to call a dumbass when you need him
Quality post here. You proved my point for me. You're absolutely right, winning a Super Bowl is better than an AFC title game. Belichick went into that first Super Bowl having to decide between their 1st round, $100 million QB with Super Bowl experience who had just won them the AFC title game over the Steelers after Brady got hurt... or the green 6th round QB with one playoff win... the Tuck Rule game, and he was lucky to win that.

As much as people may want to thrash and scream and cry, the whole thing happened because of Belichick. You have to remember that Bledsoe signed the richest contract in NFL history the previous offseason. What Belichick did took balls. I think there are very few guys who would bench a $100 million QB, or the richest QB in the game... and there are plenty of coaches who believe starters can't lose their job due to injury. Or people who have egos too big to do what Belichick did. Brady may very well be the Patriot way... but he created it because Belichick didn't let his ego get in the way of winning games.
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:10 PM   #2
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Quality post here. You proved my point for me. You're absolutely right, winning a Super Bowl is better than an AFC title game. Belichick went into that first Super Bowl having to decide between their 1st round, $100 million QB with Super Bowl experience who had just won them the AFC title game over the Steelers after Brady got hurt... or the green 6th round QB with one playoff win... the Tuck Rule game, and he was lucky to win that.

As much as people may want to thrash and scream and cry, the whole thing happened because of Belichick. You have to remember that Bledsoe signed the richest contract in NFL history the previous offseason. What Belichick did took balls. I think there are very few guys who would bench a $100 million QB, or the richest QB in the game... and there are plenty of coaches who believe starters can't lose their job due to injury. Or people who have egos too big to do what Belichick did. Brady may very well be the Patriot way... but he created it because Belichick didn't let his ego get in the way of winning games.
If you're 0-2 with Bledsoe and 11-3 with Brady, and then Brady wins a playoff game you'd have BALLS to put Bledsoe back in. This is a no brainer...
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Old 10-04-2012, 11:23 PM   #3
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If you're 0-2 with Bledsoe and 11-3 with Brady, and then Brady wins a playoff game you'd have BALLS to put Bledsoe back in. This is a no brainer...
Brady was knocked out early in the AFC Championship... Bledsoe came in and did well enough to win on the road in Pittsburgh. Spin it any way you want, there was a legitimate debate at the time about who should start the Super Bowl. It's easy to pass judgment in hindsight knowing what Brady went on to do. But if you start a 6th round QB over a 1st round pick who has the biggest contract in football... you better be right.
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Old 10-05-2012, 06:54 AM   #4
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If you're 0-2 with Bledsoe and 11-3 with Brady, and then Brady wins a playoff game you'd have BALLS to put Bledsoe back in. This is a no brainer...
Brady didn't win the AFC Championship, Bledsoe did. Brady got injured.
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Old 10-05-2012, 08:04 AM   #5
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Brady didn't win the AFC Championship, Bledsoe did. Brady got injured.

Not by himself. Patriots were winning 7-3 when Brady got hurt, and had completed a long(ish) pass to Troy Brown. It was in the 2nd quarter.

And I agree that Bledsoe definitely helped win the game, but everyone forgets that he made one of the most asinine throws I've ever seen in that game too -- throwing it blindly over his head backwards when he got turned around and was about to be sacked. In a massive defensive struggle he begged for a pick six that could've swung the game.
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Old 10-05-2012, 08:12 AM   #6
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Not by himself. Patriots were winning 7-3 when Brady got hurt, and had completed a long(ish) pass to Troy Brown. It was in the 2nd quarter.

And I agree that Bledsoe definitely helped win the game, but everyone forgets that he made one of the most asinine throws I've ever seen in that game too -- throwing it blindly over his head backwards when he got turned around and was about to be sacked. In a massive defensive struggle he begged for a pick six that could've swung the game.
Still, it's revisionist history to suggest that Belichick had an "easy" decision or anything of the sort.

The unwritten rule is that a starter doesn't lose his job to injury. BB deserves credit for thumbing his nose at tradition...
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Still, it's revisionist history to suggest that Belichick had an "easy" decision or anything of the sort.

The unwritten rule is that a starter doesn't lose his job to injury. BB deserves credit for thumbing his nose at tradition...
Oh I agree with that, and BB deserves massive credit.

Keep in mind two things -- first that all coaches, but NFL coaches especially, tend to be very conservative and tend to do the things that, all else being equal, will get them the LEAST criticism if it fails. BB definitely doesn't fall into that category. Picking Brady to start the SB is one example. A less successful one is 4th and 2 against Indy -- A DECISION I SUPPORTED THEN AND SUPPORT NOW. Just because a decision doesn't succeed doesn't mean the wrong choice was made.

Second, BB got crucified in Cleveland for benching, whoever it was -- Kosar I guess. Now he's going against the grain and picking the new guy to start the Super Bowl over the former number 1 pick guy. That takes titanium testicles...
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Oh I agree with that, and BB deserves massive credit.

Keep in mind two things -- first that all coaches, but NFL coaches especially, tend to be very conservative and tend to do the things that, all else being equal, will get them the LEAST criticism if it fails. BB definitely doesn't fall into that category. Picking Brady to start the SB is one example. A less successful one is 4th and 2 against Indy -- A DECISION I SUPPORTED THEN AND SUPPORT NOW. Just because a decision doesn't succeed doesn't mean the wrong choice was made.

Second, BB got crucified in Cleveland for benching, whoever it was -- Kosar I guess. Now he's going against the grain and picking the new guy to start the Super Bowl over the former number 1 pick guy. That takes titanium testicles...
Exactly.

We here in KC know about the conservatism of the NFL first-hand.
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Picking Brady to start the SB is one example. ...
My memory is a little shady. Why wouldn't he start Tom Brady in the SuperBowl?

I know NE was based almost solely on defense and timely 3rd down conversions, and Brady was just a guy that took care of the ball, but who else would he have started?
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If you're 0-2 with Bledsoe and 11-3 with Brady, and then Brady wins a playoff game you'd have BALLS to put Bledsoe back in. This is a no brainer...

You have no idea how split the fan base up here was over that SB decision. To me it was a no brainer for Brady, but many here thought otherwise. And by many, I mean MANY!
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