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Old 10-09-2012, 09:13 AM  
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A Change Gonna Come

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Looks like @BillMaas & I are hearing the same things. Changes could be brewing at Arrowhead. Just think it'll be slower than fans would


@BillMaas: I assure you that Clark Hunt has taken the Bull by the horns and is addressing the Chiefs 2 biggest concerns
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:48 PM   #196
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Yeah. Pioli didn't work his way up. Jesus.



Pioli was a scout with Cleveland. Pioli was a Director of Player Personel with the Jets and Pats. The lone difference is that DeCosta did entirely college, while Pioli did college and pro evaluations as he came up. They're very similar paths.
The thing that worries me about DeCosta, and which should have worried me about Pioli, is that they both were comfortable staying in their successful environments and turning down other job offers. To me, when a guy starts to get comfortable where he is, where everything is set up nicely and they are a nice cog in the equation, and aren't sure if they want to leave that comfort to go push themselves and challenge themselves, it should raise alarm bells. If a guy is comfortable ruling their little piece of the kingdom while someone else runs the whole show, I worry about what that means from a leadership standpoint.

I'm sure at some point someone will offer DeCosta a boatload of money, and it may be enough to pull him away from BMore, but what happens when he goes somewhere where he doesn't have the same scouts, the same owner, the same office, when an entire organization is looking at him for leadership, where he doesn't have Ray Lewis and Joe Flacco on the field? How will he react? How will he lead? If I am Clark Hunt, that's my question to the guy if I'm interviewing him (of course if I am Clark Hunt, I am showing more leadership myself)...
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Old 10-09-2012, 01:48 PM   #197
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I don't think that's true but at the same time, pro personnel guys usually don't have a "name".
Granted that they don't have names like coaches do, but I have doubts that we could get DeCosta. Even Ross in NY. If the executive of the decade gets run out of town, it will make them think twice, unless Clark can convince them of something else.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:01 PM   #198
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Granted that they don't have names like coaches do, but I have doubts that we could get DeCosta. Even Ross in NY. If the executive of the decade gets run out of town, it will make them think twice, unless Clark can convince them of something else.
He would have got ran out of town because he didn't do his ****ing job.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:05 PM   #199
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Are we getting technical over scout and assistant scout? He came up on the player personnel side. Those guys scout players. Most of Pioli's job for 10+ years has been flying around the country scouting.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:06 PM   #200
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Cleveland ran their GM out of town after 8 games in 2009 and hired Tom Heckert & Mike Holgrem who were pretty hot commodities. There won't be any backlash from Clark firing Pioli after 4 years and 3 last place finishes.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:08 PM   #201
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Oh please know I'm not suggesting we keep Pioli. That's the worst idea.

I do wonder how that will affect future hirings. But I also know that we can't continue on our current path.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:10 PM   #202
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Let's say this about Pioli/Belichick also:

For all their knowledge, didn't they pass on Tom Brady 5 times before they took him? If they had any inkling that he was going to be who he ended up as, there's no way they let him fall to the 6th round just to look smart.
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It's becoming quite obvious this whole Patriot way garbage is nothing more then random luck.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:11 PM   #203
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The Patriot Way IS Tom Brady. Period.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:39 PM   #204
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You know, the remainder of our schedule really isn't difficult. Quinn's already demonstrated that he can throw the ball down the field. I think Quinn can just be Quinn and we'll win some games. Probably just enough to **** our draft position.
That is how the Chiefs roll. The perfect formula of mediocrity in perpetuity.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:48 PM   #205
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Yeah. Pioli didn't work his way up. Jesus.
You're a ****ing moron.

Instead of hyperbole, why don't you give specific examples? Or is that above your pay grade?

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Pioli was a scout with Cleveland. Pioli was a Director of Player Personel with the Jets and Pats. The lone difference is that DeCosta did entirely college, while Pioli did college and pro evaluations as he came up. They're very similar paths.
And just look at the personnel record during his stints with Cleveland, the Jets and the patriots.

HUGE difference between those and Baltimore.

And who really gives a **** about DeCosta, anyway? That idea is way past discussing, since he's not leaving Baltimore.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:49 PM   #206
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I figured most with any knowledge of the NFL draft already knew it and the rest of you could look it up for yourselves.

Sorry I hurt your sensitive little feelings.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:50 PM   #207
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Granted that they don't have names like coaches do, but I have doubts that we could get DeCosta. Even Ross in NY. If the executive of the decade gets run out of town, it will make them think twice, unless Clark can convince them of something else.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:52 PM   #208
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Are we getting technical over scout and assistant scout? He came up on the player personnel side. Those guys scout players. Most of Pioli's job for 10+ years has been flying around the country scouting.
No, it hasn't.

Regional scouts and national scouts turn in reports and do the true legwork. Pioli doesn't spend his Saturdays at college football venues.

Furthermore, the mother****er tossed the scouting information collected by Chuck Cook and the Chiefs and instead, used his New England scouting reports for the 2009 draft.

Great job, Scott!
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:55 PM   #209
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I still remember being pissed when, IIRC, Dallas worked a trade with Cleveland so the Browns could get ahead of the Chiefs and picked Quinn.
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Old 10-09-2012, 02:58 PM   #210
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Dane, what do you think of Marc Ross? Would you prefer DeCosta to him, or someone else? I know you've probably posted elsewhere.

I'd love to see David Shaw get a good look as a HC. Lots of NFL experience, high intelligence, football acumen.
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