Chiefs Clark caught between a rock and a hard place - Page 2

Hammock Parties · 10-13-2012, 02:31 PM

Pioli's gone Laz.

His drafts are average, his QB and HC decisions are monumentally stupid, and he's a PR nightmare.

**pr_capone** · 10-13-2012, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Clark is in a Catch-22. If he lets Pioli go now, there will be the perception among the fans, owners, and the NFL in general that he doesn't really make the decisions around here- he will be percieved as beeing subject to the whims of the fans. On the other hand, if he doesn't let Pioli go, he will have totally alienated the entire fan base who makes his team profitable (outside of TV revenues). The Chiefs have made one PR blunder after another this year and fans are on the verge of outright revolt.

In all seriousness, if you are Clark- and view this purely as a business decision- what is your next move?

You have to let Pioli go. There really is no other option open to him here.

Keeping him around until the end of the season will only serve to alienate the fans. The knowledgeable ones anyway. The Chiefs will always have fans no matter how this all turns out BUT, they will no longer have the majority of the old school that know the ins and outs of the team... instead they will have a bunch of people for whom season tickets are a status symbol instead of a symbol of dedication to the team.

He really has little choice.

**bevischief** · 10-13-2012, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Clark is in a Catch-22. If he lets Pioli go now, there will be the perception among the fans, owners, and the NFL in general that he doesn't really make the decisions around here- he will be percieved as beeing subject to the whims of the fans. On the other hand, if he doesn't let Pioli go, he will have totally alienated the entire fan base who makes his team profitable (outside of TV revenues). The Chiefs have made one PR blunder after another this year and fans are on the verge of outright revolt.

In all seriousness, if you are Clark- and view this purely as a business decision- what is your next move?

We need a good slogan for the next banner.

KCrockaholic · 10-13-2012, 02:41 PM

Chiefzilla nailed it. Pioli is the cancer of the Chiefs. He must go.

Mr. Laz · 10-13-2012, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

Chiefzilla nailed it. Pioli is the cancer of the Chiefs. He must go.

based on what?

the rambling bullshit of Bad Guy's janitor friend who got pissed off because Pioli made him pick up a gum wrapper?

please ... WE KNOW NOTHING concrete about what is going on in Arrowhead.

people around here have just gone paranoid nuts

chiefzilla1501 · 10-13-2012, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

based on what?

the rambling bullshit of Bad Guy's janitor friend who got pissed off because Pioli made him pick up a gum wrapper?

please ... WE KNOW NOTHING concrete about what is going on in Arrowhead.

people around here have just gone paranoid nuts

Head in the sand.

Mr. Laz · 10-13-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Head in the sand.

still waiting for any proof

chiefzilla1501 · 10-13-2012, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

still waiting for any proof

Scott Pioli micromanages

Kent Babb has detailed plenty of stories surrounding this. This wasn't just a janitor. This was a professional report that used a ton of interviews and sources to put the picture together. If Pioli is upset about it, then maybe the ****er should have had the guts to actually entertain Babb's request for comment. Even Clark Hunt and Mark Donovan had the balls to discuss it.
Bob Gretz wrote in a follow-up that the micromanagement was coming all the way from Texas. He didn't specify what, but it sure sounded like it was all the way down to lineup changes and game planning
When was the last time you heard a player go off-script? The comment was made that when Eric Berry's class did their first interviews, they were already talking like robots.
There was buzz at the combine that everybody was well aware of the Chiefs' toxic environment
Matt Cassel. Romeo Crennel made several public comments about wanting QB competition. Not a backup. Competition. He clearly liked Orton, he raved about Peyton Manning, and he said Cassel was not guaranteed a starting job. The FIRST person to say Cassel was the clear starter was Scott Pioli, not Romeo. Fast forward to 2012. Romeo and Daboll design an offense that runs the ball 80% of the time while only having Cassel throw dump-off passes. I don't know how much clearer it could be that Romeo and Daboll have no confidence in the QB.
Dick Haley told Todd Haley he couldn't win with Cassel as a QB. You'd have to think Todd would at least consider his father's advice. There are reports from yet another insider who suggests that Charlie Weis didn't like Cassel either. So you have 4 coaches who have shown clearly that they did not like the QB, and yet he continues to start and for 4 years has no competition.
What offense and defense are we running? How many coaches have we hired during that time frame? Scott Pioli has hired 2 defensive coordinators, 3 offensive coordinators, and 2 head coaches. All 3 offensive coordinators ran the Erhardt-Perkins offense. All our defensive coordinators run 2-gap 3-4. Haley's experience was in a Whisenhunt offense and he hired Clancy Pendergast, whose experience is in a 1-gap defense
Oh hey, let's not forget that Charlie Weis screamed up and down that he wanted Jimmy Clausen. The Chiefs passed up on him twice. Regardless of how good Clausen was, this is yet another experienced coach who hated our QB yet was not allowed to get rid of him.
Connect the dots to the Pendergast comment. Haley threw a shit fit when Tyson Jackson was drafted. It sure seemed from day 1 that Haley was never allowed to run the offense or defense he wanted to because it wasn't exactly what Pioli wanted.
Babb alleges in a separate report that Pioli dictated roster decisions to Pioli

Scott Pioli is a bully to the media

Fact: Scott Pioli locked out the media - This is indisputable. Mark Donovan confirmed this in Arrowhead Anxiety. It involved shutting media guys out, closing the shades in offices, and practices. And we feel it as fans. There aren't stories written about our players. Our players talk in scripts rather than talking candidly.
Fact: Scott Pioli pays way too much attention to what the media says about him and his Chiefs - Talk to anyone who has ever written for the Chiefs, whether that's the Kansas City Star or just some small time blog. Scott Pioli will contact you if he doesn't like the kind of store you write.

I honestly don't know what more proof you want.

whoman69 · 10-13-2012, 02:54 PM

I don't see it as a Catch-22. Just because the fans seem to want it doesn't mean its not the right decision. It also doesn't mean he was pushed into it by the fans. He's doing a good job or he's not doing a good job. Frankly if I'm an owner and have to come out and make a statement about the fans because the GM is quiet, he's not doing his job.

Tonka83 · 10-13-2012, 02:47 PM

I can't imagine any scenario ever, that I would want Pioli drafting our QOF.
I could go on a glue sniffing binge and make better decisions than that oaf.

**RealSNR** · 10-13-2012, 02:58 PM

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If he lets Pioli go now, there will be the perception among the fans, owners, and the NFL in general that he doesn't really make the decisions around here- he will be percieved as beeing subject to the whims of the fans.

Who gives a shit?

Ford in Detroit is viewed as a piece of shit owner because he didn't listen to the fans earlier and fire Matt Millen.

Clark has to get fans buying into the team. Pioli tightens the belt better than most GMs, but you gotta have increased income. Only way to do that is to fire Pioli.

Mr. Laz · 10-13-2012, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Who gives a shit?

Ford in Detroit is viewed as a piece of shit owner because he didn't listen to the fans earlier and fire Matt Millen.

Clark has to get fans buying into the team. Pioli tightens the belt better than most GMs, but you gotta have increased income. Only way to do that is to fire Pioli.

Hunt could definitely make a business decision and decide that Pioli has to go for money reasons.

not really winning reasons ... but money reasons

could see that happening

but you blow it up and that means all the coaches go ... all the schemes go and then 2 years of transition. All the current young talent might as well be traded away because they either won't fit the scheme or will be free agents by the time the transition is over.

Hammock Parties · 10-13-2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

but you blow it up and that means all the coaches go ... all the schemes go and then 2 years of transition. All the current young talent might as well be traded away because they either won't fit the scheme or will be free agents by the time the transition is over.

That's fine.

Current regime isn't doing shit, so you might as well.

****ing cut bait, Laz. Pioli is an epic failure. Admit it.

**The Franchise** · 10-13-2012, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

Hunt could definitely make a business decision and decide that Pioli has to go for money reasons.

not really winning reasons ... but money reasons

could see that happening

but you blow it up and that means all the coaches go ... all the schemes go and then 2 years of transition. All the current young talent might as well be traded away because they either won't fit the scheme or will be free agents by the time the transition is over.

Houston changed their scheme in one offseason and hit the ground rolling.

Mr. Laz · 10-13-2012, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Houston changed their scheme in one offseason and hit the ground rolling.

so did St. louis, it appears

but most of the time it doesn't seem to work that way

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