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Old 10-29-2012, 10:29 AM  
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The Myth of Glenn Dorsey
I continually hear via radio and occasionally here that Dorsey would be better in a 1-gap scheme and/or a 4-3 base front.

This is a myth. On our sub packages, our two DTs (Poe and Bailey) play a 3-tech and a shaded 2-tech or 1-tech. People complaining that Dorsey just needs to be turned loose and enabled to attack the passer need to realize that if Dorsey was able to do those things, he would have been starting in our sub-package since he was drafted.

The fact is, Dorsey simply hasn't and won't meet the expectations that he received when drafted in the top 5. That isn't due to scheme or philosophies, IMO. If he was good enough to rush the passer from the several DT techniques that most 4-3 teams run, he would be starting on our sub packages and been productive.

This isn't shocking news to most but I thought it might be thread worthy because of the bitching I continually hear about Dorsey and how we might receive a pick for trading him.
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:56 AM   #16
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I've said this all along and dumbasses kept arguing and talking about his college years.

He has never been a Warren Sapp type. Ever. His pass rush is non existent and was never really there. People write the shit they do because they don't REALLY know how to watch football and just parrot the shit writers say.
The injuries were rather serious too...
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Old 10-29-2012, 10:58 AM   #17
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This I'm not sure about. Draft spot, yes. In terms of hype and expectations, no.
Sure, but people werent laughing when the Chiefs picked him. If it wasnt the Chiefs he probably wouldve been gone the very next pick with the Jets (Gholston). When Jax got picked, other teams snickered.
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Old 10-29-2012, 11:02 AM   #18
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Sure, but people werent laughing when the Chiefs picked him. If it wasnt the Chiefs he probably wouldve been gone the very next pick with the Jets (Gholston). When Jax got picked, other teams snickered.
I don't think anyone viewed him as a top 10 talent other than us.

We could have traded down 10 spots and still had the guy...
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Old 10-29-2012, 11:04 AM   #19
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Sure, but people werent laughing when the Chiefs picked him. If it wasnt the Chiefs he probably wouldve been gone the very next pick with the Jets (Gholston). When Jax got picked, other teams snickered.
Exactly. Nobody expected Tyson to be productive. Most expected Dorsey to at the very least be an above average run-stopper fairly soon. It took him until 2010 and he has since regressed.
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Old 10-29-2012, 11:10 AM   #20
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I continually hear via radio and occasionally here that Dorsey would be better in a 1-gap scheme and/or a 4-3 base front.

This is a myth. On our sub packages, our two DTs (Poe and Bailey) play a 3-tech and a shaded 2-tech or 1-tech. People complaining that Dorsey just needs to be turned loose and enabled to attack the passer need to realize that if Dorsey was able to do those things, he would have been starting in our sub-package since he was drafted.

The fact is, Dorsey simply hasn't and won't meet the expectations that he received when drafted in the top 5. That isn't due to scheme or philosophies, IMO. If he was good enough to rush the passer from the several DT techniques that most 4-3 teams run, he would be starting on our sub packages and been productive.

This isn't shocking news to most but I thought it might be thread worthy because of the bitching I continually hear about Dorsey and how we might receive a pick for trading him.
While I hink this is true, you also have to ask if he was coached full time on more 1 gap technique. It's like asking a rb to be a star receiver. I still think he could be an adequate one gapper.
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I've said this all along and dumbasses kept arguing and talking about his college years.

He has never been a Warren Sapp type. Ever. His pass rush is non existent and was never really there. People write the shit they do because they don't REALLY know how to watch football and just parrot the shit writers say.
That's untrue that his pass rush was non existent. He was great at collapsing he pocket at lsu. He just doesn't have closing speed. But he needs to learn technique. In the two gap he has been trained to read and react.
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Old 10-29-2012, 11:15 AM   #24
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While I hink this is true, you also have to ask if he was coached full time on more 1 gap technique. It's like asking a rb to be a star receiver. I still think he could be an adequate one gapper.
Inadequate comparison IMO. If Dorsey showed an ability to penetrate consistently, he would be getting be playing all 3 downs, the majority being in our 2-3-6 in which he would be playing a shaded 2/1-tech or the 3-tech.

If he had any ability to do that at all, he would have been starting in that spot full time and producing when Romeo got here.
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Who in the hell cares about Glen Dorsey right now?
He's no Brandon Siler.
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Exactly. Nobody expected Tyson to be productive. Most expected Dorsey to at the very least be an above average run-stopper fairly soon. It took him until 2010 and he has since regressed.
One person did.
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