The Myth of Glenn Dorsey

[Sorter]

I continually hear via radio and occasionally here that Dorsey would be better in a 1-gap scheme and/or a 4-3 base front.

This is a myth. On our sub packages, our two DTs (Poe and Bailey) play a 3-tech and a shaded 2-tech or 1-tech. People complaining that Dorsey just needs to be turned loose and enabled to attack the passer need to realize that if Dorsey was able to do those things, he would have been starting in our sub-package since he was drafted.

The fact is, Dorsey simply hasn't and won't meet the expectations that he received when drafted in the top 5. That isn't due to scheme or philosophies, IMO. If he was good enough to rush the passer from the several DT techniques that most 4-3 teams run, he would be starting on our sub packages and been productive.

This isn't shocking news to most but I thought it might be thread worthy because of the bitching I continually hear about Dorsey and how we might receive a pick for trading him.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Xanathol

You've got a front office who gives a big contract to a high school QB, won't sign worthwhile free agents, currently has a head coach / DC that the players aren't allowed to talk to during the game, and is basically an all around failure as an organization at the moment and you reason that bc Dorsey is taken out on sub packages by THIS team, he must not be good at rushing the passer?!?

This thread should be added to the epic fail thread...

He's not good at rushing the passer. If he was, Allen Bailey wouldn't have been drafted. You're a ****ing moron. Do you watch the Chiefs play football? Jesus ****ing Christ. ****ing people who have no sense at all or any kind of football knowledge whatsoever like this ****ing paramecium and BlackBob are allowed to stay on this board?

[Sorter]

Why don't you actually watch Dorsey play in 2009, 2010, and the first half of last year. Watch carefully, and you can see him continually fail to get any kind of push up the pocket or show enough athleticism to stunt effectively. There is a reason he has come off the field in sub-packages. It is because he isn't good enough at rushing the passer.


**** me, I just got trolled didn't I? Oh, XanathBob you...

[BigMeatballDave]

How sad is it that Dorsey's last season at LSU he had 7 sacks.

He has 4 in the last 4 seasons combined.

[KCFaninSEA]

I think most people had Dorsey as one of the top 3 players in the draft the year he came out. He dropped because of team needs. He is not the first high pick to not live up to expectations. I have more of an issue with the drafting of Jackson. He should have never been selected as high as he did. That is an epic fail.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by TheGuardian

I've said this all along and dumbasses kept arguing and talking about his college years.

He has never been a Warren Sapp type. Ever. His pass rush is non existent and was never really there. People write the shit they do because they don't REALLY know how to watch football and just parrot the shit writers say.

He had 7 sacks and 12.5 tackles for loss his senior year at LSU, in spite of routinely being double teamed. To say he has never had the ability to penetrate is ridiculous.

[jspchief]

If he was any good, the coaches would leave him on the field.

Sincerely,
I'm not exactly sure why Charles only got 5 carries.

[Xanathol]

Originally Posted by Sorter

He's not good at rushing the passer. If he was, Allen Bailey wouldn't have been drafted. You're a ****ing moron. Do you watch the Chiefs play football? Jesus ****ing Christ. ****ing people who have no sense at all or any kind of football knowledge whatsoever like this ****ing paramecium and BlackBob are allowed to stay on this board?

You're a dumbass and as such, feel the need to advertise that fact to the world. Dorsey is doing exactly what he is asked to do. Playing Madden doesn't help you realize that in the KC defense, the DL are responsible for all running plays - including the draw. In Dorsey's second year, the DC quite literally broke him out of his initial step, so he can perform their "punch & hold" technique ( typical base 3-4 ), all focused on guarding the run. And at stopping the run, he has been one of the best last year and the year before. But since you're a moron, you think pass rushing is his responsibility in this defense, because you simply don't know any better - and refuse to learn.

What you fail to see is your own idiocy in putting ANY reason into the staff of the worse organization in the NFL. The KC ownership is cheap. The KC GM sucks. The KC coaches suck. And yet you're basing player evaluations on their actions & how they determine who plays what, when & how?!? Without a frog fart bubble of a clue what the player is being told to do?!? That's the very definition of being a dumbass. Here's hoping you're sterile.

[xztop12]

He can still be good we need a new DC. poe im not sure about

[jspchief]

I'm pretty sure the Dorsey experiment is over in KC, and I'm not sure he'll ever amount to anything now.

That being said, he was a legit top 5 pick with legit ability to push the pocket. He may never have put up more than 5 sacks in a season, but he should have helped collapse the pocket so our ends could do their thing.

He was a strong, explosive college player, that only got 1 year in the NFL to do his thing.

And the suggestion that the way our current coaches use him is proof of anything is the most absurd thing I've ever heard.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Sorter

Inadequate comparison IMO. If Dorsey showed an ability to penetrate consistently, he would be getting be playing all 3 downs, the majority being in our 2-3-6 in which he would be playing a shaded 2/1-tech or the 3-tech.

If he had any ability to do that at all, he would have been starting in that spot full time and producing when Romeo got here.

Well, this is the point I"m trying to make here. A RB isn't going to be as good of a receiver as a receiver, even if he was a great receiver in high school. It's because all their training goes toward being a running back. Now, if you spent a full offseason coaching receiving technique, prepping his body to be a receiver, maybe he becomes better.

Dorsey spent one year learning more of a NT from dimwit Gunther Cunningham. He spent the next 4 years learning a read and react defense. He hasn't been coached on pass rush moves. I'm sure the majority of his technique he's been coached on is engage-and-shed, as opposed to swim moves and other moves meant to get into the backfield. And the read and react takes away his greatest strength, which is his explosion off the snap.

I'd like to see Dorsey in a 1-gap. Give him the full offseason to prep and learn and practice it. I don't expect him to rack up a ton of sacks. But in college, he was always in the backfield pushing the pocket in. People say he played 2-gap. But in college, he was asked to explode to the ball, not read and react as he does today.

[suzzer99]

I ran up and down my street yelling with glee when Dorsey fell to us. True story.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by xztop12

He can still be good we need a new DC. poe im not sure about

Bill Maas highlighted Poe tonight in MSN during his breakdowns and had nothing but good things to say about the kid

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Bill Maas highlighted Poe tonight in MSN during his breakdowns and had nothing but good things to say about the kid

Bill Maas is a great source.

[Hammock Parties]

PFF teased that he had a good game, too. Their breakdown is coming or is already out, haven't checked.

edit - yep, Poe had a 0.5 in run defense with 5 stops.

Not bad.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Xanathol

You're a dumbass and as such, feel the need to advertise that fact to the world. Dorsey is doing exactly what he is asked to do. Playing Madden doesn't help you realize that in the KC defense, the DL are responsible for all running plays - including the draw. In Dorsey's second year, the DC quite literally broke him out of his initial step, so he can perform their "punch & hold" technique ( typical base 3-4 ), all focused on guarding the run. And at stopping the run, he has been one of the best last year and the year before. But since you're a moron, you think pass rushing is his responsibility in this defense, because you simply don't know any better - and refuse to learn.

That isn't at all what any of my posts say, you moron. Dorsey is a fine run-stopper. The post says that people are making Dorsey out to be some mythical pass-rusher who would excel in the 4-3 or the 1-gap. That isn't and wouldn't be the case. Did you even read the OP? XanathBob, please go away.