NFL Draft No elite in this draft. - Page 2

Chief Roundup · 11-01-2012, 08:42 AM

According to Todd McShay and Mel Kiper there is not an elite QB in this draft. They went on to say that there wasn't an elite LT, DE or pass rusher either.
After seeing this I thought I needed to share.

So we finally are going to have a top pick if not the top pick and there is not elite talent available for us to pick from. How frigging depressing.
We should of drafted Tannehill last year like I wanted. We would be in a position to draft Manti Te'O. The best player in the draft this season.

Saccopoo · 11-01-2012, 09:01 AM

I don't give a flying **** about Kiper's opinion.

When I watch Geno Smith I see a guy with all the tools, the leadership and a natural feel for the game that goes beyond the measurables.

His pocket awareness is uncanny and his release is as quick as I've ever seen on a QB at the college level. Smith also has a high release point on the ball and he's incredibly accurate with ball placement to every level of the field. His ability to hit receivers in stride is uncanny. His usable arm strength is superb.

And there are two things that really help a QB to be successful at the next level in terms of on the field intangibles, and that's pocket presence and a quick release.

I think Smith's upside is as good as any QB that's come out over the past 15/20 years. He's a better QB prospect than RGIII IMO.

That's elite in my book.

htismaqe · 11-01-2012, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Who ****ing cares? Sam Bradford was a brokedick mediocre piece of shit. You didn't see Rams fans crying their eyes out because he wasn't Matt Stafford.

Cheer the **** up. Geno Smith IS elite.

To be fair, Matt Stafford was considered to BE elite and so far he's been pretty meh, even with Calvin Johnson. Most of it is injuries but that's part of the game.

lcarus · 11-01-2012, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Who ****ing cares? Sam Bradford was a brokedick mediocre piece of shit. You didn't see Rams fans crying their eyes out because he wasn't Matt Stafford.

Cheer the **** up. Geno Smith IS elite.

Man I hope you are right. Geno damn well BETTER be elite. Still wish we had the #1 or #2 pick last year...

Fansy the Famous Bard · 11-01-2012, 09:05 AM

We better spend some picks on O-Linemen. The way this line has blocked, our new QBOTF may end up with David Carr-syndrome.

KCFalcon59 · 11-01-2012, 09:08 AM

We're going to need two QB's anyway. Draft the best QB available and go out and get a FA with some ****ing talent to back him up. We have no real QB's on this roster.

TEX · 11-01-2012, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by mdchiefsfan

I don't care. Just get me someone with some damn potential. We will see if they become elite or not.

If they don't, rinse and repeat.

Yep.

htismaqe · 11-01-2012, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Zeke

We better spend some picks on O-Linemen. The way this line has blocked, our new QBOTF may end up with David Carr-syndrome.

This line will instantly improve with a real QB under center.

Quesadilla Joe · 11-01-2012, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Arrowhead

Aaron Rodgers wasnt considered Elite either

He was one of the favorites to be the #1 pick in the draft going into it. There weren't a lot of QB needy teams that year.

Saccopoo · 11-01-2012, 09:16 AM

As well, in terms of DE's/Pass Rushers, I wonder what they thought of Clay Matthews or Jared Allen or JJ Watt coming out...

And there is a boat load of really good pass rushers in this draft. Really good.

Jarvis Jones
Sam Montgomery
Damontre Moore
Alex Okafor
Jackson Jeffcoat
Travis Long

and three guys with huge upside in

Barkevious Mingo
Bjoern Werner
Dion Jordan

Mingo and Werner are relatively new to football and Jordan is a recent TE convert that is thriving on the defensive side of the ball.

It's a really nice pass rusher draft.

Fansy the Famous Bard · 11-01-2012, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

This line will instantly improve with a real QB under center.

I hope you're right

Woodchuck · 11-01-2012, 09:18 AM

I agree that there isn't an elite one. At least it's not obvious if there is one. However, we still gotta take a QB. I am starting to think I would like to take Te'o or Jones with the first pick and use our 3rd (and maybe 2nd) to move back into the first round to draft the QB out of the big three that drops. Or, maybe even Glennon if he moves up boards like some say he will. That comp pick for Carr will come in handy and will allow us to use our regular 3rd round pick to move up. This is the year we move up in the draft imo.

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

This line will instantly improve with a real QB under center.

I agree. I really don't think they have been that bad. People overreacted after Oakland imo. Remember what Oakland's d-line did to Matyt Ryan and Atlanta?

Mr. Arrowhead · 11-01-2012, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning

He was one of the favorites to be the #1 pick in the draft going into it. There weren't a lot of QB needy teams that year.

If he was a elite QB he wouldnt had lasted til the mid 20s.

Chief Roundup · 11-01-2012, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by KCFalcon59

We're going to need two QB's anyway. Draft the best QB available and go out and get a FA with some ****ing talent to back him up. We have no real QB's on this roster.

I will agree with this. A part of me would like to do what the Skins did with taking a QB in the middle as well. Or get a good FA backup..Matt Hasselback type. Don't have any idea who is or will be available.

Chief Roundup · 11-01-2012, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

This line will instantly improve with a real QB under center.

Yep they will improve some because of that but also when we get a decent OC that will spread the Defense. A QB that a defense had to worry about would definitely be nice.

Saccopoo · 11-01-2012, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

Man I hope you are right. Geno damn well BETTER be elite. Still wish we had the #1 or #2 pick last year...

I don't understand this...

What do you mean "damn well BETTER be elite?"

Should we not use a pick on a QB because he's not considered to be in the 0.01% of all QB's who have ever entered the draft, which would be only two guys in the history of the draft in the eyes of guys like Kiper and Mayock, etc., i.e. - Elway or Luck.

If taking a QB not named John Elway or Andrew Luck has your panties in a knot, then you should really start pimping Barrett Jones as our pick. He's probably the safest guy in the draft in terms of getting high level performance with the lowest chance of bust.

Me, I'm freaking sick of our QB situation. It's been 30 years since we took one. Smith has all the tools. I'd take him over any QB that's come out the past 15 years other than Andrew Luck. That's okay in my book in terms of the Chiefs FINALLY getting a decent QB prospect of their own in the draft.

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Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	I don't give a flying **** about Kiper's opinion. When I watch Geno Smith I see a guy with all the tools, the leadership and a natural feel for the game that goes beyond the measurables. His pocket awareness is uncanny and his release is as quick as I've ever seen on a QB at the college level. Smith also has a high release point on the ball and he's incredibly accurate with ball placement to every level of the field. His ability to hit receivers in stride is uncanny. His usable arm strength is superb. And there are two things that really help a QB to be successful at the next level in terms of on the field intangibles, and that's pocket presence and a quick release. I think Smith's upside is as good as any QB that's come out over the past 15/20 years. He's a better QB prospect than RGIII IMO. That's elite in my book.
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Fansy the Famous Bard I'm with the Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $-1003560	We better spend some picks on O-Linemen. The way this line has blocked, our new QBOTF may end up with David Carr-syndrome. __________________ Hi.
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KCFalcon59 MVP Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Topeka, Kansas Casino cash: $-290000	We're going to need two QB's anyway. Draft the best QB available and go out and get a FA with some ****ing talent to back him up. We have no real QB's on this roster.
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11-01-2012, 09:16 AM	#24
Saccopoo Kindness in words... Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Zion Casino cash: $10025483	As well, in terms of DE's/Pass Rushers, I wonder what they thought of Clay Matthews or Jared Allen or JJ Watt coming out... And there is a boat load of really good pass rushers in this draft. Really good. Jarvis Jones Sam Montgomery Damontre Moore Alex Okafor Jackson Jeffcoat Travis Long and three guys with huge upside in Barkevious Mingo Bjoern Werner Dion Jordan Mingo and Werner are relatively new to football and Jordan is a recent TE convert that is thriving on the defensive side of the ball. It's a really nice pass rusher draft.
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