NFL Draft No elite in this draft. - Page 3

Chief Roundup · 11-01-2012, 08:42 AM

According to Todd McShay and Mel Kiper there is not an elite QB in this draft. They went on to say that there wasn't an elite LT, DE or pass rusher either.
After seeing this I thought I needed to share.

So we finally are going to have a top pick if not the top pick and there is not elite talent available for us to pick from. How frigging depressing.
We should of drafted Tannehill last year like I wanted. We would be in a position to draft Manti Te'O. The best player in the draft this season.

listopencil · 11-01-2012, 09:27 AM

Another reason that it would have made more sense to sign Orton to a multi year deal and draft a QBotF that needed time to develop. Then your team isn't complete shit as you rebuild.

Ace Gunner · 11-01-2012, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

I don't give a flying **** about Kiper's opinion.

When I watch Geno Smith I see a guy with all the tools, the leadership and a natural feel for the game that goes beyond the measurables.

His pocket awareness is uncanny and his release is as quick as I've ever seen on a QB at the college level. Smith also has a high release point on the ball and he's incredibly accurate with ball placement to every level of the field. His ability to hit receivers in stride is uncanny. His usable arm strength is superb.

And there are two things that really help a QB to be successful at the next level in terms of on the field intangibles, and that's pocket presence and a quick release.

I think Smith's upside is as good as any QB that's come out over the past 15/20 years. He's a better QB prospect than RGIII IMO.

That's elite in my book.

whoa doggy. to me he's more like Cam Newton than RG3. but I would not say he is as good as either player. I think you can win with Smith at this level and I agree with your other points. he throws a tight ball.

RG3 is more like Steve Young -- a driven winner. I see smarts in Geno, just not quite as driven to win. He takes what you give him and I like that.

ForeverChiefs58 · 11-01-2012, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

I agree that there isn't an elite one. At least it's not obvious if there is one. However, we still gotta take a QB. I am starting to think I would like to take Te'o or Jones with the first pick and use our 3rd (and maybe 2nd) to move back into the first round to draft the QB out of the big three that drops. Or, maybe even Glennon if he moves up boards like some say he will. That comp pick for Carr will come in handy and will allow us to use our regular 3rd round pick to move up. This is the year we move up in the draft imo.

I agree. I really don't think they have been that bad. People overreacted after Oakland imo. Remember what Oakland's d-line did to Matyt Ryan and Atlanta?

If the Chiefs have the first pick and don't use it to draft a damn QB with it, there might be fans with pitchforks storming Arrowhead.

suds79 · 11-01-2012, 09:27 AM

Doesn't matter. Nothing we can do about that now.

Still take the best QB possible. If that guy would normally be the #10 overall pick in any given draft, you still take him. That's worlds better than anything we've ever done.

Don't be fooled into the standard Chiefs organization & fans way of thinking where you look at some awesome LB, DT, etc. Those positions don't win you games. QB does.

It's 80% QB. 20% everybody else.

Brock · 11-01-2012, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Cassel>Manning

He was one of the favorites to be the #1 pick in the draft going into it. There weren't a lot of QB needy teams that year.

The Dolphins were starting Gus Frerotte that year. Gus Frerotte.

Ace Gunner · 11-01-2012, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

Another reason that it would have made more sense to sign Orton to a multi year deal and draft a QBotF that needed time to develop. Then your team isn't complete shit as you rebuild.

ya, I'd have liked that too. Orton is obviously coachable and that could really help the next guy see how it works at the NFL level.

suds79 · 11-01-2012, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by lcarus

Still wish we had the #1 or #2 pick last year...

At some point we all have to get over this and move on. Yes, everybody wishes we got one of those guys. It didn't happen.

Time to move on and stop talking about Luck or RG3.

Saccopoo · 11-01-2012, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

I agree that there isn't an elite one. At least it's not obvious if there is one. However, we still gotta take a QB. I am starting to think I would like to take Te'o or Jones with the first pick and use our 3rd (and maybe 2nd) to move back into the first round to draft the QB out of the big three that drops. Or, maybe even Glennon if he moves up boards like some say he will. That comp pick for Carr will come in handy and will allow us to use our regular 3rd round pick to move up. This is the year we move up in the draft imo.

I agree. I really don't think they have been that bad. People overreacted after Oakland imo. Remember what Oakland's d-line did to Matyt Ryan and Atlanta?

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**BigMeatballDave** · 11-01-2012, 09:36 AM

Who gives a shit what these 2 baffoons say?

Crush · 11-01-2012, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Mel Kiper Jr.

JaMarcus Russell is going to immediately energize that fanbase, that football team on the practice field, in that locker room. Three years from now you could be looking at a guy that's certainly one of the elite top five quarterbacks in this league. ...You're talking about a 2-3 year period once he's under center. Look out because the skill level that he has is certainly John Elway-like.

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Originally Posted by Todd McShay

I can't remember being in such awe of a quarterback in my decade of attending combines and pro days. Russell's passing session was the most impressive of all the pro days I've been to. His footwork for such a big quarterback was surprising. He was nimble in his dropbacks, rolling out and throwing on the run. The ball just explodes out of his hands.

Oh noes! Two ESPN brokedicks don't think highly of Geno Smith or the rest of this year's QB class. If Geno Smith doesn't pan out, then you draft another QB. You keep searching until you find your ****ing QB. JFC. This team is 3-12 in playoff games since Super Bowl IV. Take a chance and draft a QB for Christ's sake.

Buckweath · 11-01-2012, 09:39 AM

At some point last year, Matt Barkley was considered a better prospect than RGIII and was thought to have a slight chance to be the #1 overall pick in front of Luck, the best QB prospect in a long time.

Now that he's not even considered to be the best Qb prospect available in next year's draft makes me think the trio of Smith/Barkley/Wilson is as good as most year's QB draft crop.

And at the end of the day, as a Chiefs fan, I'd be happy with ''just'' a top 10 QB in this league.

htismaqe · 11-01-2012, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Saccopoo

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Crush · 11-01-2012, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Woodsponge Chuckpants

I agree that there isn't an elite one. At least it's not obvious if there is one. However, we still gotta take a QB. I am starting to think I would like to take Te'o or Jones with the first pick and use our 3rd (and maybe 2nd) to move back into the first round to draft the QB out of the big three that drops. Or, maybe even Glennon if he moves up boards like some say he will. That comp pick for Carr will come in handy and will allow us to use our regular 3rd round pick to move up. This is the year we move up in the draft imo.

I agree. I really don't think they have been that bad. People overreacted after Oakland imo. Remember what Oakland's d-line did to Matyt Ryan and Atlanta?

BigCatDaddy · 11-01-2012, 09:41 AM

I'm pretty sure at this time last year most people weren't on RG3 as an elite pro prospect. I love revisionist history.

Saccopoo · 11-01-2012, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Lou_Zare

whoa doggy. to me he's more like Cam Newton than RG3. but I would not say he is as good as either player. I think you can win with Smith at this level and I agree with your other points. he throws a tight ball.

RG3 is more like Steve Young -- a driven winner. I see smarts in Geno, just not quite as driven to win. He takes what you give him and I like that.

I'd argue vehemently that Cam Newton was indeed a driven winner. Go watch his senior year at Auburn. He put that team on his back and simply took over games because there were no other options.

Anyway, I digress...

RGIII had a superb junior year.

His sophomore year, 2010, Baylor was 7-6.
His Heisman junior year, Baylor was 10-3.

And if you are saying that Smith isn't a driven winner, you would be wrong. He's put WV on his back a multitude of times.

And he's not a "running" QB, which you seem to be eluding to anyway.

I'm not fully comprehending what you are trying to get at, so this is why this response is so vague.

Smith is a stud. He's a better pure QB prospect than Griffin IMO.

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suds79 MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10005036	Doesn't matter. Nothing we can do about that now. Still take the best QB possible. If that guy would normally be the #10 overall pick in any given draft, you still take him. That's worlds better than anything we've ever done. Don't be fooled into the standard Chiefs organization & fans way of thinking where you look at some awesome LB, DT, etc. Those positions don't win you games. QB does. It's 80% QB. 20% everybody else.
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BigMeatballDave GBM 8-12-15 Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Dayton, Oh. Casino cash: $10052154	Who gives a shit what these 2 baffoons say?
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11-01-2012, 09:39 AM	#41
Buckweath Veteran Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Quebec, Canada Casino cash: $9994975	At some point last year, Matt Barkley was considered a better prospect than RGIII and was thought to have a slight chance to be the #1 overall pick in front of Luck, the best QB prospect in a long time. Now that he's not even considered to be the best Qb prospect available in next year's draft makes me think the trio of Smith/Barkley/Wilson is as good as most year's QB draft crop. And at the end of the day, as a Chiefs fan, I'd be happy with ''just'' a top 10 QB in this league.
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BigCatDaddy The Beast Inside Your Head Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $-1630878	I'm pretty sure at this time last year most people weren't on RG3 as an elite pro prospect. I love revisionist history.
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