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Old 11-04-2012, 07:37 PM  
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Old 11-04-2012, 09:43 PM   #91
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Who compared them to Newton?

Nobody said they weren't pocket passers either. You called Brees immobile, and then stated that mobile QBs are the ones that rush for 600yds a season. That simply isn't the case.
How many guys coming out college at the QB position can't move around the pocket?
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Old 11-04-2012, 09:44 PM   #92
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It's pretty clear that his definition of mobile is far narrower than ours.

When I think of immobile, I think of guys like Drew Bledsoe, Kurt Warner and Kyle Orton.

Those guys have anchors for feet, and Warner is probably the last of his kind that will win a SB.
Agree completely. You can add Mallett and Derek Anderson as examples of statues as well.
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Old 11-04-2012, 09:47 PM   #93
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Old 11-04-2012, 09:47 PM   #94
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How many guys coming out college at the QB position can't move around the pocket?
Move around? Well, if they have 2 working legs, then they all can. However, as an example, putting Mallett in Houston's offense with the designed rollouts they do would not be effective, because of his lack of mobility. Mallett is a recent example that answers your question. Foles is probably another, although I haven't watched much of him or know his combine #s. Osweiler perhaps.
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Old 11-04-2012, 09:48 PM   #95
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I don't get why people compare Geno to a running QB. He doesn't run at all. Has less than 300 yards total rushing for his college career.

He has good pocket mobility but is not a run first QB.
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Old 11-04-2012, 09:49 PM   #96
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I don't get why people compare Geno to a running QB. He doesn't run at all. Has less than 300 yards total rushing for his college career.

He has good pocket mobility but is not a run first QB.
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I don't get why people compare Geno to a running QB. He doesn't run at all. Has less than 300 yards total rushing for his college career.

He has good pocket mobility but is not a run first QB.
Apparently he shares one trait with all the other "running" QBs in spite of numbers that state otherwise.
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I don't get why people compare Geno to a running QB. He doesn't run at all. Has less than 300 yards total rushing for his college career.

He has good pocket mobility but is not a run first QB.
That's the thing.

Even when he breaks containment, he never really looks to run.

He always has his head up looking for an open receiver.
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I think Matt Barkley could be Trent Green 3.0
He should be far better than Trent, as long as he can avoid injury.

You're talking about a possible #1 overall guy versus a 9th rounder that bounced from the CFL to the NFL.
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Apparently he shares one trait with all the other "running" QBs in spite of numbers that state otherwise.
He's "explosive" and "athletic"????




I love how people think that Geno is super quick, great runner, etc because he's black. Far from it.
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I don't like Barkley's release. It reminds me of Matt's. He has a big windup.
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Move around? Well, if they have 2 working legs, then they all can. However, as an example, putting Mallett in Houston's offense with the designed rollouts they do would not be effective, because of his lack of mobility. Mallett is a recent example that answers your question. Foles is probably another, although I haven't watched much of him or know his combine #s. Osweiler perhaps.
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I was referring to modern QB's, not trying to compare to "statues" like Marino, Bledsoe, etc. Guys of yesteryear that were pure pocket passers.

Most of the QB's coming out today that would be considered first rounders run 4.7-4.8 or way faster. There are very few guys that can't move around or avoid the pass rush because as big time college QB's, they've done it their entire career.

To me, that type of "mobility" is a given. I don't think any team will ever draft a "statue" with the #1 overall again.

That said, those guys are different than "mobile" QB's like Newton, Griffin, etc. Guy's that are considered "Dual Threat" QB's because they can beat you with their legs or their arm (although Newton & Griffin haven't done much yet with either).

All that said, after watching the last four WV games, I'm underwhelmed with Geno Smith. Again, I'm just not seeing it.
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Barkley has the highest floor of the big 3, but IMO the lowest ceiling. He is a safer pick than Wilson or Smith although he has less potential for superstardom.
I don't think so. He's a smart guy and has all of the passing abilities. High football IQ and a student of the game. I think he has the highest ceiling of all of them.
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