Lakers have fired Mike Brown

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja

90's the most over rated decade by far. They didnt have close to the ammount of good and great players as they do now. Though they did have the best player of all time, that i will give the 90's. Thought he 2000's til about 2007 were pretty awful, but since then, its been really freaking good.

90s ended when MJ did.
Then, nothing.NBA ratings were and are abysmal since Mike.

[kcxiv]

Originally Posted by vailpass

90s ended when MJ did.
Then, nothing.NBA ratings were and are abysmal since Mike.

Thats just 1 player. Mike was fun to watch. I HATED the bulls and even JOrdan, but if he was on tv, damn right i was gonna watch it, he was fun to watch, dude was simply amazing.

AGain, with the talent and how many good players, its not even close. YOu got talent from all over the world and these arent just ok players anymore, they are damned good players. Night and day difference in overall talent.

Ill argue with anyone about that, because its simply a fact just watch the NBA now days.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Fruit Ninja

Thats just 1 player. Mike was fun to watch. I HATED the bulls and even JOrdan, but if he was on tv, damn right i was gonna watch it, he was fun to watch, dude was simply amazing.

AGain, with the talent and how many good players, its not even close. YOu got talent from all over the world and these arent just ok players anymore, they are damned good players. Night and day difference in overall talent.

Ill argue with anyone about that, because its simply a fact just watch the NBA now days.

The NBA is about top-end talent. The top-end talent is not better now than in the 80's/90's. Certainly not miles ahead.

You have to remember that teams were better coached, more fundamentally sound, and just overall smarter. They also stayed together longer, which made the teams so much more fluid.

Magic's Lakers would kick the hot shit out of Kobe's Lakers.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by vailpass

90s ended when MJ did.
Then, nothing.NBA ratings were and are abysmal since Mike.

But that was before the dawn of satellite TV and 600 channels.

The NBA will never return to the ratings of the 80's but rights fees continue to ascend.

Basketball, like baseball, has too many games and too many teams to get the kind of ratings each did back in the 70's and 80's.

Personally, I think the game has improved both in the arena and on TV. Theses guys are just so ****ing big and so ****ing graceful in person. It's like they're a different species of human beings, altogether.

Seriously.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

But that was before the dawn of satellite TV and 600 channels.

The NBA will never return to the ratings of the 80's but rights fees continue to ascend.

Basketball, like baseball, has too many games and too many teams to get the kind of ratings each did back in the 70's and 80's.

Personally, I think the game has improved both in the arena and on TV. Theses guys are just so ****ing big and so ****ing graceful in person. It's like they're a different species of human beings, altogether.

Seriously.

Good points, I'll defer to what I assume is your industry knowledge on the workings of the ratings.

What I do know is that I don't see any kids in any of my 3 boy's circles wearing NBA jerseys anymore, no posters of NBA players on their walls, they don't talk about the games or even care about going to them.

I'm glad you enjoy today's NBA. I get nothing from it. And I used to love the NBA. Would sneak downstairs past my bedtime to watch playoffs when I was a kid. For me the game has lost it's toughness, lost it's credibility, lost it's mystic. Now it's just a bunch of grunts running up and down for a few months until playoffs start.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by vailpass

What I do know is that I don't see any kids in any of my 3 boy's circles wearing NBA jerseys anymore, no posters of NBA players on their walls, they don't talk about the games or even care about going to them.

Without sounding racist (which these comment will, undoubtedly), there aren't many examples out there for white youths to follow.

Chris Anderson? The Gasol brothers, both whom look white but are Spaniards? Kirk Heinrich?

Add to that, there's no one in the NBA with Michael Jordan's personality. Even with LeBron playing his ass off like Kobe before him, these guys just really don't cross the racial barrier like Jordan. He was special.

Furthermore, there isn't one white basketball player that's on the same exact level as Howard, Kobe or James. Back in the 80's, it was Bird versus Magic and Bird versus Jordan. Today, it's Kobe versus LeBron and it just doesn't have the same appeal to white Americans.

Originally Posted by vailpass

I'm glad you enjoy today's NBA. I get nothing from it. And I used to love the NBA. Would sneak downstairs past my bedtime to watch playoffs when I was a kid. For me the game has lost it's toughness, lost it's credibility, lost it's mystic. Now it's just a bunch of grunts running up and down for a few months until playoffs start.

I agree to a degree. Most regular season games don't have much appeal to me unless I'm actually at the game. If it's on TV, it's cool and all and usually more fun to watch while I'm on the exercise bike or treadmill than "The Mentalist" on CBS or whatever, but it doesn't really get exciting until the playoffs. Baseball is like that for me as well. It's hard to watch the Dodgers on TV but if I'm at the stadium, I'm all in but the playoffs are where the real baseball magic begins for me. I rarely miss any game, regardless of team, once the MLB playoffs start.

I think it's because there are just too many regular season games in both MLB and the NBA.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Without sounding racist (which these comment will, undoubtedly), there aren't many examples out there for white youths to follow.

Chris Anderson? The Gasol brothers, both whom look white but are Spaniards? Kirk Heinrich?

Add to that, there's no one in the NBA with Michael Jordan's personality. Even with LeBron playing his ass off like Kobe before him, these guys just really don't cross the racial barrier like Jordan. He was special.

Furthermore, there isn't one white basketball player that's on the same exact level as Howard, Kobe or James. Back in the 80's, it was Bird versus Magic and Bird versus Jordan. Today, it's Kobe versus LeBron and it just doesn't have the same appeal to white Americans.



I agree to a degree. Most regular season games don't have much appeal to me unless I'm actually at the game. If it's on TV, it's cool and all and usually more fun to watch while I'm on the exercise bike or treadmill than "The Mentalist" on CBS or whatever, but it doesn't really get exciting until the playoffs. Baseball is like that for me as well. It's hard to watch the Dodgers on TV but if I'm at the stadium, I'm all in but the playoffs are where the real baseball magic begins for me. I rarely miss any game, regardless of team, once the MLB playoffs start.

I think it's because there are just too many regular season games in both MLB and the NBA.

Good points all. I would submit that I loved the showtime Lakers even thought they had no white stars and I was a white kid in the middle of Iowa where we had 0 black people in school, church, etc.

As a midwesterner I watched Magic and Greg Kelser play at Michigan State, Birdman at Indy State, and followed them to the NBA.
Even before that I dug the NBA. I had the George Gervin sitting on a block of ice poster on my wall (next to Farah Fawcett and her nips and Linda Ronstadt).

I will say that in the past two years I have liked the NBA more than I have since MJ retired thanks to the Thunder, Bulls, Pacers. Great ball movement, team D, no bullshit. Also have respect for the Spurs.