Damn I miss Dick Vermiel!

[bobbything]

Lo'fing L at you Vermieil haters. They made no bones about what they were about. They said "We're gonna make a 3 year run at this." They had a shot in 2003. That was their big year. Everyone knew it. If you didn't, your fault.

I don't see how anyone can criticize Vermeil in the draft. They sold out for free agency. That was their draft. They had no intention of drafting well.

This regime, it's garbage. It's horrendous. I've never seen a regime draft as poorly as Vermeil and acquire leftovers Iike Steadman.

Pioli should go down in the annals of football history as one of the worst GMs in history. Easily the worst Chiefs GM.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by bobbything

Lo'fing L at you Vermieil haters. They made no bones about what they were about. They said "We're gonna make a 3 year run at this." They had a shot in 2003. That was their big year. Everyone knew it. If you didn't, your fault.

I don't see how anyone can criticize Vermeil in the draft. They sold out for free agency. That was their draft. They had no intention of drafting well.

This regime, it's garbage. It's horrendous. I've never seen a regime draft as poorly as Vermeil and acquire leftovers Iike Steadman.

Pioli should go down in the annals of football history as one of the worst GMs in history. Easily the worst Chiefs GM.

This makes no sense.

[bricks]

Originally Posted by bobbything

Lo'fing L at you Vermieil haters. They made no bones about what they were about. They said "We're gonna make a 3 year run at this." They had a shot in 2003. That was their big year. Everyone knew it. If you didn't, your fault.

I don't see how anyone can criticize Vermeil in the draft. They sold out for free agency. That was their draft.They had no intention of drafting well.

This regime, it's garbage. It's horrendous. I've never seen a regime draft as poorly as Vermeil and acquire leftovers Iike Steadman.

Pioli should go down in the annals of football history as one of the worst GMs in history. Easily the worst Chiefs GM.

That was one thing I really liked about that regime. They found some real steals in FA.

Priest, Kennison, Wiegmann and even acquiring T Green in a trade was a solid move.

As much as DVs draft were poor, at least he drafted Jared Allen and DJ. I give him some props for that.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by bricks

That was one thing I really liked about that regime. They found some real steals in FA.

Priest, Kennison, Wiegmann and even acquiring T Green in a trade was a solid move.

As much as DVs draft were poor, at least he drafted Jared Allen and DJ. I give him some props for that.

Steals?



Priest Holmes was dumped by a Super Bowl team after two ACL surgeries. Kennison was dumped MID SEASON. Weigmann was a backup center.

Also, Vermeil expected Richardson to be the starter with Priest as a 3rd down back.

JFC, are you people THIS out of the loop?

Furthermore, you ****ing DUMBASS, they missed on how many defensive free agents? A dozen? How about guys like Snoop Minnis? Bigfoot? etc. and so on.

Shut the **** up.

Originally Posted by bricks

That was one thing I really liked about that regime. They found some real steals in FA.

Priest, Kennison, Wiegmann and even acquiring T Green in a trade was a solid move.

As much as DVs draft were poor, at least he drafted Jared Allen and DJ. I give him some props for that.

Giving a 1st round pick for a player who has no other suitors is not a solid move. You want to give him credit for a solid trade then Roaf is the one to talk about.

[bricks]

Originally Posted by Phobia

Giving a 1st round pick for a player who has no other suitors is not a solid move. You want to give him credit for a solid trade then Roaf is the one to talk about.

Roaf was one of the better trades in Chiefs history.

But, you don't consider Trent Green a solid move?
C'mon. The guy gave the Chiefs 5 productive seasons, made two probowls, was unquestionably one of the better leaders on the ball club. In fact, I think Trent Green could be ranked up there as one of the better Chiefs QBs in history.I'm speaking directly from a longevity and productivity standpoint. I understand that giving up a first round pick is a lot for a 31 year old QB at the time, but when that first round pick turns out to be Damione Lewis, and your QB produces consistently for 5 seasons, makes probowls, that is win and without a doubt a very solid move by the Chiefs.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by bricks

Roaf was one of the better trades in Chiefs history.

But, you don't consider Trent Green a solid move?
C'mon. The guy gave the Chiefs 5 productive seasons, made two probowls, was unquestionably one of the better leaders on the ball club. In fact, I think Trent Green could be ranked up there as one of the better Chiefs QBs in history.I'm speaking directly from a longevity and productivity standpoint. I understand that giving up a first round pick is a lot for a 31 year old QB at the time, but when that first round pick turns out to be Damione Lewis, and your QB produces consistently for 5 seasons, makes probowls, that is win and without a doubt a very solid move by the Chiefs.

Meanwhile, Drew Brees, who it was rumored would have been the choice with that first round pick is still lighting up the NFL 11 years later.

The goal for a first round pick should be foundational pieces that last a decade or more.

5 year stop gaps are a poor use of that value.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by milkman

Meanwhile, Drew Brees, who it was rumored would have been the choice with that first round pick is still lighting up the NFL 11 years later.

The goal for a first round pick should be foundational pieces that last a decade or more.

5 year stop gaps are a poor use of that value.

The trade for Trent Green would have been a colossal success if we had followed it up with taking Aaron Rodgers in 2005.

I totally agree that the better usage of that pick would have been taking Brees, in hindsight, but spending a late first round pick for 5 years of elite QB play is a deal Id do every time.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BossChief

The trade for Trent Green would have been a colossal success if we had followed it up with taking Aaron Rodgers in 2005.

I totally agree that the better usage of that pick would have been taking Brees, in hindsight, but spending a late first round pick for 5 years of elite QB play is a deal Id do every time.

It wasn't five years. It was four.

He was piss poor in 2001 and much better from 2002-2004. By 2006, he was shot.

Drew Brees would have been the better selection, by far.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by BossChief

The trade for Trent Green would have been a colossal success if we had followed it up with taking Aaron Rodgers in 2005.

I totally agree that the better usage of that pick would have been taking Brees, in hindsight, but spending a late first round pick for 5 years of elite QB play is a deal Id do every time.

Not me.

That first year was a learning process, so Green was only "elite" (not what I'd call it, but that would only be arguing definitions) for 4 years.

That's a short window.

I would not spend a first round pick on a guy that gives me that short a window.